Article #1: "Fit is King"

Ian

Notorious member
Disclaimer: The following information is the product of my own meandering experience and includes a few original ideas and concepts of my own and some that others have been kind to share with me, and is always subject to change as I learn more. It is in no way intended to be the last word, or even the first, just something that may help. Feel free to share like or contradictory experiences and otherwise contribute to the knowledge fund.

The Basement Articles #1: Fit is King

As an introduction to a world where the few, eccentric inhabitants seek finer accuracy and higher velocity from their cast, lead-alloy bullets than what is typically considered "normal" by the majority of rifle shooters, I'm going to present some basic articles relating to the "graduate level" of cast bullet shooting and performance. In these discussions I will attempt to describe the key factors affecting accuracy, the forces antagonistic to accuracy as velocity is increased, and some of the methodology used to defeat these forces to a practical limit. The first item of discussion is what many cast shooters consider the thing most important to perfect, because without it, no amount of work can compensate for its lack: Bullet fit.


What is fit? Due to its elastic and malleable nature, lead alloy bullets tend to get very easily damaged, distorted, bent, crushed, slumped, engraved crooked, scraped, skidded, gas-cut, riveted, or otherwise altered when fired out of a gun, particularly at high pressure and high velocity. Proper fit of the bullet to the rifle enables the case neck, throat, and barrel to support the bullet in the critical location, and through the critical events of the firing cycle so that it leaves the muzzle traveling straight and without any balance-altering deformations that will de-stabilize the bullet and cause it to arc or spiral away from the bore centerline, and thus from the aiming point. Fit can be divided into two separate areas: Static fit and Dynamic fit, and measures must be taken by the handloader through bullet selection, preparation, and loading to ensure that the demands of each are met in order to achieve the best accuracy and performance.


Static fit refers to the way the loaded bullet rests in the gun when the cartridge is chambered. Obviously, the bullet needs to be the correct sized diameter to be held by the case, be slightly larger than barrel groove diameter, and have a nose shape and length that will allow the cartridge to chamber fully without the bullet being seated unnecessarily deep in the case, but there's more to it than just those things if you want the best results. Preparations must be made so that the bullet can be launched absolutely straight into the bore from the case without damage. Essentially, the bullet must be shaped and sized so as to not have anywhere to go except straight ahead when the powder lights and kicks it in the pants. Statically, we wish to achieve as little clearance as possible between the case neck and chamber neck so the bullet base and driving bands cannot shift sideways or rivet (bump up) when fired, we wish the driving portions (or "body") of the bullet that are rearward of the throat entrance when chambered to be at or a half-thousandth smaller than the throat entrance, and we wish the nose profile matches exactly the shape of the throat. It is necessary to build in some degree of clearance in all these areas so that the firearm remains functional (particularly in the case of self-loading rifles, hunting rifles that may need the cartridges to be frequently removed from the chamber unfired, and after some normal fouling accumulation), but essentially the goal is to minimize these tolerances as much as is practicable. The bullet does not have to engage the lands, or touch any part of the throat when chambered, but when fired it needs to be fully supported upon making the "jump" to the rifling. The single most important aspects of static fit are that, when chambered and ready to fire, the bullet is perfectly concentric with the bore, and perfectly aligned with the bore centerline.


Dynamic fit is fit in motion, through rapidly changing states and environments. Take a trip with me on a bullet being fired out of a gun. First, the primer is struck, hopefully not moving the cartridge case or bullet in the process (proper case fit prevents this), and the powder lights and begins to build pressure. Once the pressure acting on the bullet base reaches the point where it is able to overcome the static inertia of the bullet, the static friction of the case neck holding it, and resistance (if any) due to contact of the nose or parts of the bullet outside of the case, the bullet begins to move forward. If the bullet is fully supported through this initial motion, and the static fit aligned it properly before launch, it will move straight without the base riveting or slumping off-center. Now our bullet comes in contact with the throat, (freebore, leade, and rifling) and begins the process of being engraved by the lands and swaged to fit the barrel dimensions. As the bullet is changing shape, it is critical that forces are equal concentrically and that the bullet "pilots" into the bore without getting off-center. Avoiding built-in weak points in bullet design such as sharp front driving bands helps greatly in keeping the bullet centered and supported through the engraving process. Also during the engraving process, the hot, high-pressure powder gas is beginning to really get going and is expanding the case to the limits of the chamber (including the neck) and is attempting to rush around the bullet to seek the lower pressure in front of it. If the miniscule gap between the case neck and bullet, and between bullet and throat are too great it can allow streams of hot gas to literally blast away lead and lube, leaving channels and voids in the bullet which cause all sorts of problems including lead deposits in the first part of the barrel, balance issues, lead streaking down the trailing edge of the lands, excessive lube loss, and generally poor accuracy. As the rising pressure drives the bullet into the bore, the lands cut into the bullet and impart a twisting force to our previously straight-traveling projectile. There is opportunity for further damage if the alloy isn't correct or the pressure peaks too quickly and accelerates the bullet too rapidly because the bullet will tend to "skid" the lands as they yank it into a spin. Hopefully, our bullet has now made it fully into the bore without scraping the throat (due to pressure bump enlarging the base, getting crooked, etc.), getting gas-cut, getting crooked in the throat, slumping the nose due to excessive acceleration, or collapsed somewhere due to a void in the casting and is able now to take the full pressure of the burn as it peaks with the bullet only a few inches into the barrel. The seal of the bullet in the barrel through all this must be immaculate; the bullet must FIT the bore well enough to cause complete obturation from point of engraving to muzzle exit. This obturation, or seal, is maintained through a combination of interference fit with the bore in all radial directions, bullet alloy elasticity, and powder pressure on the base projecting upward through the bullet. The pressure peak now kicks our fully-engraved bullet into overdrive, and it now must withstand not only the increasing linear acceleration, but the rotational acceleration as well which is imparted by the lands. Here, the dynamics are extreme and the bullet must withstand the pressures without the nose setting back or the leading edge of the land engraves failing and creating a massive gas leak along the sides of the bullet (loss of obturation). Eventually, the pressure begins to wane, and the bullet streaks toward the muzzle, where it must exit the crown with the base still, after all that, perfectly square to the bore centerline so that it doesn't allow gas to jet unevenly around the base and cause it to tip upon final exit. This launch is quite stressful, even though it only lasts a few milliseconds, and the many ways it can go awry can easily be seen if all aspects of the launch are considered carefully.


Rifle pressures can exceed 50,000 PSI even with cast bullets, and at those pressures even straight linotype alloy is as fluid as putty. Wheel weight alloy commonly used for or as a basis for bullet metal typically has a yield strength of 15-20,000 PSI, and so deforms very easily at the pressures demanded of it. Our goal is to build our ammunition so that when launched, the bullet is damaged the least amount possible and exits the muzzle true. We attempt to achieve this through proper, minimal-clearance static fit of the whole cartridge case and bullet, selecting alloy that has the strength and flexibility to maintain dynamic fit and obturation (yet not deform) when used in proper combination of powder burn rate and pressure curve, using lubricants that are up to the specific demands of high pressure/velocity/shear forces, and by casting high-quality bullets in the first place.


An acquaintance of mine from another forum was fond of observing "It only matters if it does" with regard to things affecting cast bullet groups on paper. For many folks who are perfectly content with 1,600-1,800 fps and two-inch groups at hundred yards, much of the above need hardly be taken into consideration. But one won't get their .308 Winchester to shoot half-inch, 100-yard groups at 2300 fps and above unless the factors I outlined are understood and managed effectively.


In future articles, I will attempt to further dissect and analyze these factors, and provide explanations where possible of some of the techniques that myself and others are employing to achieve very good results.

Link to article #2: http://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/how-i-make-chamber-pound-casts.131/

Ian
 
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Ben

Moderator
Staff member
Everything you've just written above is what separates the men from the boys................
 

JWFilips

Well-Known Member
Ian,
Yes I now see this is the place to be! Most excellent information. Thank you for your post and hard work ...I'm absorbing as you write!
 

JonB

Halcyon member
WOW,
(this WOW is for the several Basement articles posted so far...which I have just skimed through, and they deserve a much better 'slow read'.)
I figured I'd just post a WOW here on Article #1 to cover all of them posted so far.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Well done. We've tossed those terms and ideas around between each other for years. Nice to see them bought together in a coherent fashion.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I always associated the phrase "fit is king" with you, Bret. I don't know if you coined the term or if it just sort of came into usage through some of the discussions going on a few years back, but it's appropriate and sort of stuck with me.
 

45 2.1

Active Member
^^^^ That would be correct.

Most people here want to learn how to do better (at least I think that is the purpose). With the very poor powder supply we have going on, why would one not want to learn an alternative?
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Try the Reloader powder series, it will open your eyes some.

How about being more specific??? Which one exactly? How about going so far as to giving all the pertinent information on the load that gets you MOA or less. For example....rifle, boolit, alloy, powder, primer, charge weight, brass specifics, etc. Or, is it all a "big secret"?
 

Charles Graff

Moderator Emeritus
When publishing hand-loading methods and data beyond what has been pressure tested and published in reliable industry sources is always thin ice. If it is to be done, I think folks who question the data and methods should be allowed to express their concerns. The issue is not whose opinion is right or wrong, but a matter of safety and responsibility. Folks who read such information are entitled to receive all opinions pro and con on the data or method. I am not the one to make the decision, nor would I want to, so I can't give a yes or now answer, just a response.
 
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freebullet

Guest
Ian great thread I appreciate the effort you've put in all of them. Many will learn or be refreshed from your efforts.

I don't mean to steer it off course but I would love to see threads on duplex loads. A simple warning that the info is experimental and so forth should be a good enough warning for folks. If we don't discuss things that maybe taboo we all loose.
Specifically parameters when doing it with cast in particular are of interest, even if I never do it.
The loads and experiences with them.
Warnings and tribulations ect.

A forum where All aspects of casting, shooting cast, and making guns function with cast is what I was hoping for here.

If someone claims to have an answer to a question I asked I will listen even if I decide not to follow their advice. Difference in opinions and thoughts is what helps us all move forward.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Duplex loading to affect (with an 'a') the desired burn rate in combination with certain alloy and alloy temper is actually very topical with regard to dynamic bullet fit, and not unsafe if approached with the proper understanding. Hopefully that understanding will be forthcoming in an academic format, and probably is a topic deserving its own thread for the sake of clarity.

As I've mentioned in other threads, article #9 of my series of musings deals with developing loads and selecting powder, but I am not expert enough yet nor do I have the necessary equipment to back up my methods with hard numbers, so it wouldn't be all that useful to others if I were to write it now. 45 2.1 is one who does have the expertise and I'd like to hear more facts on that myself. My sum-total experience duplexing was before the internet, in the form of burning eight pounds of WCC872 in a .30-'06 and using Blue Dot (mostly) as a kicker charge, so I'm learning too. For the record, I'm STILL not going to run a duplex load in my gas-operated guns until I see some reliable port pressure data. My choice, others can do what they like and will receive no objection from me.
 

Charles Graff

Moderator Emeritus
I find it impossible for me to disregard my legal training and experience and for that I always get nervous when load data and techniques stray too far from lab tested and published data. When duplex loading comes up I don't see just red flags but rockets in the sky as well. Call me an old ninnie if you will, but such talk gives me the willies. If it is possible for folks to misunderstand or misapply information, somebody will do it. If it is possible for somebody to hurt themselves through such misunderstanding and misapplication, they will do that also. When such injury happens, the idiot will sue somebody and I don't want that to be me.

In my not so humble opinion, if somebody want to duplex load, they should duplex load. If somebody want to teach others to do that, it should be by phone, fax or email. Duplexing by itself doesn't bother me one bit, it is just the public publication on forums such as this that makes me uncomfortable. Any professional "Risk Manager" would tell us not to do it.

The impulse to push the envelope is within us all, as is the desire to share what we learned by doing so. But sometimes, prudence requires us to exercise some impulse control.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
OK, the thread had been cleaned up a bit. Let's keep things on topic and not get personal. We created this place to rise above that, let's all remember that please.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I always associated the phrase "fit is king" with you, Bret. I don't know if you coined the term or if it just sort of came into usage through some of the discussions going on a few years back, but it's appropriate and sort of stuck with me.

I think I coined the term,( beat it into peoples lexicon is more like it), but I got the idea from Uncle Felix Robbins (RIP), along with the terms "static fit" and "dynamic fit". It was great having an honest to God rocket scientist around to fill in the blanks. I miss him.