1911 question

[JonB]

Gee, I wish Bill was still here.
OK, with that out of the way...

I had my RIA 1911 38 super at last months gunshow with a price tag on it. One of my gunshow buddies asks why I'm selling it. I tell him about how it launches brass into the next zip code.
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I think I asked here before and someone suggested a spring swap, but I'm not really wanting to do that. My gunshow buddy says a spring won't likely help much, if any. He said, "just bend the ejector down, you can make it so it's drops the brass right at your feet, if you want to."
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Now, before I get my 3 lb tuning maul off the rack...is there any truth to that?

 

[glassparman]

Spring steel . . . just don't bend too far.

As for the specific model and brass flow, IDK.

 

[Bret4207]

Do you shoot at a public range or have your own range? If the latter you can construct a screen house type rig that will catch 99%+pf the brass, even outdoors.

 

[358156 hp]

Put the hammer away. Ejection is regulated by the angles on the ejector"

 

[JonB]

Do you shoot at a public range or have your own range? If the latter you can construct a screen house type rig that will catch 99%+pf the brass, even outdoors.

I don't own a personal range, and I live in town, so I couldn't build one.
My sportsman club's range isn't public (members only), but getting the small organization to agreeing to build something specific and permanent is likely impossible.
When I've shot this gun: I've setup tarps on stands, I've tried tarps on the ground with large cardboard boxes. Sometimes I'm successful, but what a hassle to haul/setup/store. I kind of relegated this gun to be sold...but then my buddy made the point of tuning it...so I had to ask.
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358156 hp
I haven't taken this gun apart, or even looked closely...yesterday, I spend 15 minutes online looking, and it appears your image is for the 45acp ejector. The ejector for 9mm is like 50% longer.
I searched a bit this morning...maybe I need to replace it with something like this?

Ejector, BCG - Brazos Pro Performance Tuned

Performance tuned for maximum reliability.

www.1911store.com

 

[bruce381]

tune ejector also recoil spring and load will dictate where brass goes is this factory ammo??

 

[JonB]

tune ejector also recoil spring and load will dictate where brass goes is this factory ammo??

factory ammo...
what's that?

 

[JustJim]

factory ammo...
what's that?

You know, the stuff you buy to shoot up to get brass when empty brass isn't available.

 

[JonB]

Well, after a few hours of reading and slow-mo cycling some fired cases, I decided to shorten the ejector. I found a few places on the interwebs that mention that, but only if the extractor is tuned properly. According to Steve in Allentown's posts, I came to the conclusion that this gun had the extractor pretty well fitted by RIA, at least for for the starline 38 super+P brass I'm using.

1911 extractor tuning

Any know that to correct brass to face/head, should the extractor tension be increased or decreased?? Just would like to know which way to adjust tension, instead of pure luck. Thanks to any that know

www.1911forum.com

Steve in Allentown Extractor fitting

Because of Photobucket's new policy of not allowing common folks like me to link our pictures on their site into discussion forums unless we gave them $400 all of my pictures here have been blocked. So at the request of several members I've spent time over the course of the past couple of weeks...

www.1911forum.com

Also I will angle the top half of the face and radius the inside edge, like Wolf83 shows.

So, I shortened the ejector 0.020" and did as Wolf83 suggested and went to the range, bringing all the tools I need to do more tuning if necessary.

It was Sunny and 72º
wow, we weren't suppose to have that nice of weather. I wish I had brought other guns along.
anyway, I shot 5 rounds. 3 with no mag in gun and two with mag in gun with more ammo in mag, and watched where the cases flew too.
I have less than a box of ammo, so I didn't want to blast a bunch if this tuning was to go on for a while...hence shooting the first round of only 5.
Happy surprise, all 5 rounds flew out about 5 feet to the 4 O-clock position...couldn't be more perfect.
I decided to pack up and go home, I was too happy to shoot anymore. Now I need to work up a new load, I'd like to see how close I can get to a max load. When I worked up a load previously, the brass flew so far, I just stayed with the starting load.

 

[CZ93X62]

No time-in-grade with 38 Super or 9mm 1911-pattern pistols, other than about a box of ammo through one of each. I've learned a bit from this thread--thanks.

 

[JonB]

one thing I accidently omitted, for future readers (if there are any?), the original 38 super ejector installed by RIA had a overall length of 1.110" and obviously 1.090" after I filed off 0.020"

 

[JonB]

...and the more I think of it, I could have written things a lot better and including the possible reason/s of what was happening.
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Mentioned in one of the linked threads, was a theory about a gun throwing brass back into your face or almost straight back but slightly to the right and going a long ways (like 50 feet), which is what mine was doing. Seemingly, if the case doesn't tip up fast enough and is hit by the front of the ejection port (as the slide is still moving backward) and is then sent like a homerun baseball out of Wrigley park.
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Another statement made was, shortening the ejector is suppose to lessen the distance the case will be flung (one internet cowboy suggested shortening a 38 super ejector by 0.020")
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So, I shortened the ejector by .020 so it releases the case being held by the extractor a little later(the more 'later' means less distance, I guess?) and I 'file modified' the two areas of the ejector face (per Wolf83) to hopefully help tip the case faster and the correct direction. (hopefully to a 4 or 5 O' clock position).
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OK, as I spend the time to type this out, and edit it, and re-edit it...I am realizing, that I may not have needed to shorten the ejector, as the major problem was likely the front of port reliably hitting the case.

 

[Bret4207]

At least with a 1911 you have a plethora of info and parts out there. not like you're trying to tuning a Schmitt and Margreli pump action revolter! (And yes, I made that up) That's one of the niceties of the 1911 IMO. Losing brass is downfall of ALL bottom feeders!

 

[Rushcreek]

Now I want one of them S&M pump revolvers…..

 

[Mainiac]

I don't own a personal range, and I live in town, so I couldn't build one.
My sportsman club's range isn't public (members only), but getting the small organization to agreeing to build something specific and permanent is likely impossible.
When I've shot this gun: I've setup tarps on stands, I've tried tarps on the ground with large cardboard boxes. Sometimes I'm successful, but what a hassle to haul/setup/store. I kind of relegated this gun to be sold...but then my buddy made the point of tuning it...so I had to ask.
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358156 hp
I haven't taken this gun apart, or even looked closely...yesterday, I spend 15 minutes online looking, and it appears your image is for the 45acp ejector. The ejector for 9mm is like 50% longer.
I searched a bit this morning...maybe I need to replace it with something like this?

Ejector, BCG - Brazos Pro Performance Tuned

Performance tuned for maximum reliability.

www.1911store.com

I shoot on my own land,so i have a felt off a papermachine,laying on ground,easy picking the empties up.
And then i bought a 1911 10mm,,wow,that sucker lauches empties a mile!!
I found an old patio umbrella at the dump,open it up,and lay it on its side,right beside the bench,,presto,catches all empties.

 

[JonB]

Oh, I like the patio umbrella idea.
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also, your 10mm 1911 could have same issue I had. Does it launch 'em almost straight back? It's an easy fix.

 

[Mainiac]

Oh, I like the patio umbrella idea.
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also, your 10mm 1911 could have same issue I had. Does it launch 'em almost straight back? It's an easy fix.

Nope,,right out the side,at least 20 feet,with full tilt loads.
Guess all 10,s are famous for this.

 

[beagle]

Might get on Evil Bay and look for a GI Mosquito bar/net. I used one when I had my .351 SL as it was notorious for slinging EXPENSIVE brass. Worked great. Sent a friend one that he used with his Swedish K. Saved a lot of knee work. Easy to drape over a couple poles. Worth the money./beagle

 

[Ian]

Laundry net bag from Unifirst here. yeah, I actually purchased it, still smells like a commercial kitchen.

My Kimber Tactical Pro II would launch .45 ACP cases over my head and about two per magazine would hit me directly in the bridge of my shooting glasses, very disconcerting. I changed the ejector out with a Chip McCormick one and same deal. Turns out the original and replacement were both too long, so having a spare I ground the CM one back to reduce the vigor of the ejection, but still it was erratic. Further investigation revealed insufficient extractor tension and putting just enough arc in the extractor that it would hold a case against the bolt face well enough that it couldn't be shaken loose by hand cured the erratic ejection angles. My .38 Super was built by a pro and hasn't given a bobble, ever, but I have no idea what was done to achieve that.

 

[CZ93X62]

Now I want one of them S&M pump revolvers…..

An 1895 Nagant in 7.62 x 38R will get you in the ZIP Code.

The all-time champ for vigorous ejection IME was an H&K 91 I had in the 1980s. That EBR would launch 308 brass from W-W factory loads 30 feet at about 2 o'clock. The late Kenny Maugle (rangemaster for many years at Inland Fish & Game Association and a Burrito Shooter) called them 'Double rifles'--the bullet hit where the sights looked, and the brass took out anyone trying to flank your position. One good thing about the rifle--it was stone accurate. 1" groups at 100 yards were routine with decent bullets, and the diopter OEM sights were AWESOME.

The rifle destroyed brass, too. A port buffer did a slight bit of good at reducing fired brass ballistic coefficient, but nothing in terms of chamber damage. When the first ideation of CA's assault weapon laws came on stream I sold the thing to a friend that liked its ugly looks and was DGAF about brass.