1998 chevy 350 acting up.

[Joshua]

Well they will hit you with a $1000 dollar ticket for every vehicle you fill up with dyed diesel. They even have a task force, and a tip line! I don’t know what they would do about non-ethanol fuels. But there is no income tax in Washington, they are pretty fierce in this state about collecting sales tax on everything!!!

https://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/dyeddiesel.html

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Diesel sold without road tax is NOT the same thing as gasoline.

In one situation (using untaxed diesel on the highway) the end user is EVADING the tax. In the other situation the person using non-ethanol gasoline on the highway is almost always paying MORE tax. The ethanol blends are generally taxed less, which is one of the reasons there's no need to concentrate enforcement on the end user. It is a self correcting situation.

AND, good luck trying to distinguish 10% ethanol blend from pure gas.

 

[Ian]

AND, good luck trying to distinguish 10% ethanol blend from pure gas.

I do it frequently with a 10mL sample, a DVOM, and a test kit the size of a bible. Often we have to eliminate the possibility of E15 having been put into vehicles designed for E10 when diagnosing driveability issues.

E10 can be distinguished from gas with nothing more than a clear glass jar, a Sharpie, and a little water.

 

[Joshua]

Diesel sold without road tax is NOT the same thing as gasoline.

In one situation (using untaxed diesel on the highway) the end user is EVADING the tax. In the other situation the person using non-ethanol gasoline on the highway is almost always paying MORE tax. The ethanol blends are generally taxed less, which is one of the reasons there's no need to concentrate enforcement on the end user. It is a self correcting situation.

AND, good luck trying to distinguish 10% ethanol blend from pure gas.

I never said it was! But if you’re bored and want to fight about it I’ve got all evening! I’m on the west coast so it won’t even mess up my bedtime.

If it is sold for small engines, boat motors, or aviation, it “may” not be getting taxed “properly”. I doubt you would get caught using it. But stranger things have happened.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

And if you get "caught" (whatever that means) what is the penalty?

There's no need to police the end users of non-ethanol fuel because: 1. there's NO criminal penalty for the end user. and 2. The state isn't being deprived of tax revenue.

I'm out

 

[RBHarter]

When they dip the diesel tanks 5 gallons of "safety margin" red fuel will get caught for as much as 250 gallons of fuel through a 25 gallon tank . I had a cousin that got busted . Outside of the low sulphur mandate unless they have taken to dieing dying No 2 heating fuel it's not all that difficult to beat that up either ......

Real AvGas you really don't want to put in anything that has much more than a PCV in it for emissions controls as the Low Lead version has or did have 5x the amount of the 70s 87-91 octane car gas . The blue 100LL that is the red 80/87 was just low additive Regular with extra dye . Green is 100/130 octane and has/had about 25% more lead than 100LL . The purple 130/145 is almost unavailable these days . The application for I'm most familiar with is 5 atmosphere blowers after that they get into ADI in those 1939 designed Rolls and Allison engines .

 

[Tomme boy]

Used to run the avgas in a race car. We had the green gas and had to change plugs regularly because of misfired from the buildup of lead on the tips. This was with nitrous as an power adder. We would like to run a little rich as to not burn a hole in the piston. We also had to run a short er plug gap to prevent preignition. Then switched to methanol and then we had all kinds of other problems with pumps and filters. But we did not have to run a cooling system and the weight it had. Motor would have frost on it after a pass sometimes from the cooling it gave.

We are in corn central here. There are no laws anywhere that will get used on anyone getting the ethanol or non ethanol in trouble. The only thing that can get you in trouble is running the farm diesel on a non farm implement. Lots do it it in their pu trucks. Just don't do it in the spring or fall.

Illinois actually has a couple of different taxes for fuel. They have a use tax that is actually their version of sales tax. Then a road tax on top of that. Lots of people come over here to Iowa to get their gas as it is usually about 35 cents cheaper here. The Illinois people actually have a spot on the Illinois State income tax form for you to guesstimate the amount of tax you owe the same for buying anything out of state.

 

[RicinYakima]

What's the penalty ?

The distribution network is controlled but there's no liability for the end user.
If someone driving down the road runs out of gas, puts a gallon of non-ethanol gas from the landscaping trailer into the truck pulling the trailer - The police aren't going to arrest the driver. Nor is there a punishment for using it.

There IS a tax advantage for the distribution of ethanol blends, which is how the industry is regulated.

You are correct for the "reality" of it, but having worked 18 years for the agency that regulated it, if you sell it you lose your business.

 

[RicinYakima]

And if you get "caught" (whatever that means) what is the penalty?

There's no need to police the end users of non-ethanol fuel because: 1. there's NO criminal penalty for the end user. and 2. The state isn't being deprived of tax revenue.

I'm out

Here, if you are a business, you loose your business license. You will pay 300% of the "supposed" tax lose to the state. You don't know what you are talking about. Sorry, nothing personal, just difference rules in different places.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Here, if you are a business, you loose your business license. You will pay 300% of the "supposed" tax lose to the state. You don't know what you are talking about. Sorry, nothing personal, just difference rules in different places.

You don't have to take the tags off your car, put on a ski mask and buy non-ethanol fuel at 3:00 am. Nobody cares about the end user of pure gas.
Taxing authorities care about the production, distribution and retail sale of ethanol/gasoline blends but not the end user.

Non-ethanol gasoline is sold with road tax (state & federal) just like the ethanol blends. In fact, in some states, non-ethanol fuel is taxed at a higher rate than the regular ethanol blends.

Non-ethanol fuel generally costs more because there is lower production and it is often taxed at a higher rate, which is why people don't buy it and why retailers seldom offer it.

Motorcyclists, owners of classic cars, people that drive a sports car only occasionally; all buy non-ethanol gas. They're paying the road tax (sometimes even more road tax), they're not breaking any laws and no one cares.

There's NO NEED to use words such as "cheating" and "Caught" when talking about people buying non-ethanol fuel.

 

[RBHarter]

This is getting pretty heated guys . It's gasoline ........ This is almost as bad as the MTBE cluster .

 

[Tom]

This is getting pretty heated guys . It's gasoline ........ This is almost as bad as the MTBE cluster .

I remember the methyl tertiary butyl ether fiasco. What a typical innefective solution to a non existent problem.

 

[Tom]

Well, I took it to a shop I trust and they're going to diagnose the problem and go from there. He's aware of the dorman injector upgrade and will do that if the regulator is the problem.
Unfortunately, I have no guarantee of adequate time off in between loads to fix it myself, so better to pay a good shop to fix it. Thanks to all who enlightened me.