35/30 win

todd

todd

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i finally got around to sending my win m94(1972) to JES( to http://www.35caliber.com/ ) make a 30-30 into 35/30 caliber. he should have it by now(i mailed her on 6/4). i also got my ch4d 35/30 dies and some 30-30 starline brass. i did 5 cases to 35 cal and they did come out alright. tomorrow i'll do 100 cases(weather ch is calling for rain).

i bought some 200gr fn gc(https://bullshop.weebly.com/-35-cali...t-bullets.html
), just to see if they're alright. (the next step is a 245gr fn gc(saeco))

before it goes off(again) to get it cerakoted, i'm going to try breakfree clp to scrub the rust off of my receiver(sintered steel). to scrub i'll be using clp, my old toothbrush, 0000 steel wool and a prayer or two or three
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. if it don't werk, then off to cerakote it.

i'll probably be using williams 5d or fp 94. after (ahem)"shooting" my husky m46 with iron sights, i don't think its possible to shoot the 35/30 with irons. i shoot my 30-40 krag in a redfield 102k(peep sight), so i think i'm good. the next step is something that i don't to think about, a scope on a lever action( even marlins')!!!!!!
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when the m94 is done, i'll have a deer/bear rifle that i can be proud of. now all i hafta do is figured out cremation on the m94. then we'll be happy!!!
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Ben

Ben

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That is a cartridge that I've always thought that I'd enjoy.
Makes a GREAT deer rifle !

Ben
 
todd

todd

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it should be!!!!!:rofl:

my m94 sat in the safe for about 20+ years. i killed alot of deer with it, but the old thruty-thruty wasn't my cup of tea. it was my first rifle that was given to my Pap. it was also the first rifle that i reloaded for. it was first buck and first doe that i got too. but.......the 30-30, for all of the one shots, drt or close to it...was not my favorite.
 
todd

todd

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saturday, i got a cardboard box sent by JES. i opened her up and i found a new/old m94 in 35/30!!!! i still have clean her up or to cerakote she will go. i'm thinking of using trail boss, 2400, rel7, h4198 and h322(i have a 1lb, unopened for at 5 years). 1800fps is my goal(the latter 3). i'll use tb and 2400 as my "plinking" loads.

i read somewhere that i could use 2400(16.0- 20.0gr?) and 200gr cast as a deer load? (i should have made a copy of it). is this right?
 
todd

todd

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today i cleaned the barrel out. it only took me 45 minutes or so. the first 1/2 hour i was soaking it in gunslick's foaming bore cleaner. the next 15 minutes or so was a bore brush, 35 caliber patches, sweet's and some elbow juice to make it clean. i found only one steel/lead shaving and it was miniscule. the first series of patches came out grey. the second series(sweets) came out clean. i oiled up the inside of the barrel and i did oil up the outside. i'll say this, JES does good work!!! i was surprised that the patches didn't find shavings i'd expect. i was more surprised on barrel cleaness. i was expecting it to be dirty, but 4 or 5 patches and it comes out clean. i did the 2nd set because i couldn't believe that the barrel was clean!!!! i did a dry run(patches) on the barrel's rifling and i found it smooth as a baby's bottom. so three cheers for JES!!!!!

tomorrow, i'll use transmission fluid(i don't have acetone? i'll have to look.) and my old toothbrush to attack the rust(sinter steel). if that don't werk, then i'll have to buy breakfree clp and some fine copper wool 0000. if that don't werk, then its off to cerakote.

JES gave me load that says 200gr cast and rel10, but i don't have any rel10. i have trail boss(its a joy to shoot on anything), 2400, rel 7, h4198(JES did imr on j-words) and h322(i have a pound of it, unopened for about 5 years). i'll have to check but i got a 1/2lb of varget. i bought it for my 30-40 krag but it doesn't like varget. i have found an article that goes 15.4 - 20.0gr of 2400 with a 200gr cast boolit that goes 1300-1800fps. i'm a little leery of going over 16.0gr of 2400, but i ask, do you take 20.0gr of 2400? or was it just a show(lie)?
 
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300BLK

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Your 35-30/30 and 35 Remington have very similar case capacities. 35 Remington is loaded light because of old rifles of questionable strength. Ideal 39th Manual list 2400 in full throttle charges under 200gr cast, but by Lyman 45th the charge was dropped down to 20gr. Reloader 7 and 4198 will be the high velocity powders of what you list, but H322 will make good speed with lower pressure. I've shot some heavy charges of 2400 (24+)in a Marlin 35 Remington and it was fine, but prefer other powders for full throttle velocity.
 
Ian

Ian

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My .35 Remington likes H335 under 200 grainers. My inspiration to try that powder was Glen Fryxell's article "America's other levergun" or something like that where he discusses his favorites and also some T/C loads.

The case capacity is similar but the case head strength is not, so bear that in mind.
 
fiver

fiver

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I'd limit the 94 to around 40K in pressure. [yeah they made them in 44 mag too, but it isn't any higher pressure]
so lower loads for the 35 Remington would be appropriate.
the cast loads for the 358 win using the faster powder showin in the 35-K area would also be appropriate.
the thing about 35 versus 30 is you have a lot more bore expansion ratio, but it is all eaten up by bullet weight.
so it's a trade-off where you end up throwing 50 more grains of weight at the same speed as before.


I'd also want to use a filler with the H-322 it doesn't like big open spaces too much, but it will impress you if you load it medium low speed and keep the case full of Dacron or the like.
 
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300BLK

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According to Outpost75s notes, 35-30/30 is within 3% of case capacity of the 35 Remington. SAAMI spec on 35 Remington is 33,500psi and 30-30 Winchester is 42,000psi, so if anything, the 30-30 case head should be stronger. He's a member here, so maybe he'll chime in.

"I measured water capacities of the .35 Remington and .35/.30-30 to see how close they were. Brass in both calibers was Winchester, the .35 Remington case was once-fired from a Marlin. Capacity in grains of water when filled to base of neck:

.35 Remington - 39 grains;
.35/.30-30 - 34 grains.

Now, when a 200-grain bullet is seated to 2.55" overall cartridge length to feed in a Winchester 94 in the .35/.30-30 case, its base is 1/3 the way up the neck, so I took another measurement, this time filling the case neck with water and carefully squeezing out the excess pressing a bullet to the crimp groove in the fired case.

That result was 37 grains."

I'm looking at Ranch Dog's pressure data where he takes 190gr cast w/GC to higher than SAAMI spec for the 35 Remington (40,600) as he was loading for Marlins, and not older, weaker guns. His data takes H322 to 105% den sity and makes 40,100, H335 is 100% density at 40,600, H4198 and Reloader 7 both stop at 95% density and 40,600. Varget isn't on the list because it was deemed too slow, and 2400 was omitted because load density was too low to meet his criteria.

If I'm translating your link correctly, you purchased Lee 35-200s from Bullshop. My bullets from that mould weigh about 210gr w/GC and lube. My 35 Remington load for that bullet is 10% higher than Speer lists with their 180gr jacketed bullet, and I didn't stop because of pressure. I ran several grains higher, but better accuracy seemed more consistent with lower charges. I used 2400 under NOE 35-180-WFN (185gr w/GC and lube) up to 25gr without pressure signs, but thought accuracy more consistent at 23gr. If I was wanting to use 2400 under 200gr+ cast w/GC, I would start at 16gr and work up.
 
todd

todd

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i purchased RCBS 200gr, sorry about that.

thank you for the 2400 loads. if i can get 1700-1800fps and it is deer accurate(6" at 150 yards/ open sights) then i'm good to go. i should really go to a peep sight. 2000+fps isn't bad either, i would take that and run!!!

i did manage to scrub some of the rust off. i used transmission fluid and mineral spirits(i don't have acetone, so i'll put it on my list). i don't think i'll have it cerakoted. it will take me a couple of days to remove all the the rust.
 
Pistolero

Pistolero

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As to cleaning off light rust, I have found ATF and burlap as the cloth does really well with preserving as much finish as might still be there. Light application of wet or dry 600 or 800 grit with ATF works if more than burlap is needed. Tends to polish more than remove blue.
 
CZ93X62

CZ93X62

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When I spoiled the chamber of the the flatband Win 94 in 25/35 with the dacron wad, I weighed the "Re-bore By JES" option in 3 calibers--32/40, 35/30, and 38/55. The 32/40 idea was intriguing, but my safe and loading bench are already over-subscribed with Trivia Question calibers. 35/30 had a lot of appeal, but I opted for 38/55 and haven't looked back.
 
Brad

Brad

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A 35 Remington Marlin is on the short list of stuff I would like to have. A 35-30 wouldn’t be bad either.
 
Pistolero

Pistolero

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I have a .35 Rem Marlin, but haven't worked with it much. On the list of 'guns to work up a great load for".
I was initially stopped when my Ranchdog mold bullets will not chamber, my same experience with RD
190 mold in .30-30. So far, not to thrilled with his designs. They may fit his chambers but I am 0 for two
on fitting my Marlin chambers. And the .30 cal won't fit my Win 94s either. :(
I have picked up a couple of other molds in .35, but not yet done much with them.

Bill
 
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