A test of the Accurate 210 H cast bullet.

[Ben]

I confined my shooting to 50 yards today.
WOW ! ! I'm a VERY HAPPY camper with my newest .30 cal. bullet mould that Tom Ellis at Accurate Moulds cut for me recently.

I shot the bullet out of a pair of my single shot rifles that I knew were capable of fine accuracy. My Ruger #1, Stainless , 308 Win., and my Handi Rifle , chambered in 30-30 Win.

Here are the targets :

Here the Accurate 210 H is loaded in 30-30 Win. cases.

Here is the 210HT ( Tumble Lube )

I'll go back when this rain stops and fire the same loads at 100 yards.

Ben

 

[Brad]

I would say the bullet will shoot well so far. You still missed the dime!

Will be interesting to see what it takes to see a difference between the two. Will it take lots of pressure or speed? Will it never materialize?

Will be a fun time watching the results. Well done Ben.

 

[Ben]

I've bought many moulds in the past, but this is the 1st one that I played any role in the design of.

I'm pleased as punch.

 

[quicksylver]

Ben..Great shooting...you should be happy..!!

What's with the crimp..you're using them in single shots ..right?

 

[Ben]

My guns have tight chambers.
If I don't at least remove the bell on the case, it causes problems chambering. Doesn't seem to hamper my groups.

Ben

 

[popper]

You need a new dime - that one looks like it's covered with powder residue.

 

[gman]

Nice shooting Ben! Somehow I'm not surprised!

 

[Ben]

This is a FUN BULLET.
I don't regret a penny that I paid for it.

Best,
Ben

 

[waco]

Awesome! 18.5gr of IMR4198 might be a good try with my NOE312290 In my .308.......

 

[Ian]

This is a FUN BULLET.
I don't regret a penny that I paid for it.

Best,
Ben

I'm happy you playing around with silhouette-ish designs with tapered noses, and seeing how well they can shoot.

 

[Ben]

I'm happy you playing around with silhouette-ish designs with tapered noses, and seeing how well they can shoot.

Ian,

You were a big help to me on this design.
Many thanks,
Ben

 

[Rally Hess]

I'd be interested in your thought process on this design and intended use Ben. Any specific use in the future?

 

[fiver]

I'm not surprised by the results in the least.
notice the similarity's?

 

[Ben]

I'd be interested in your thought process on this design and intended use Ben. Any specific use in the future?

My initial thoughts about the design go back ,many years ago, to my early successes with .30 cal. cast bullets with the SAECO # 301 and the Lyman 311290. Both have shot well in a variety of .30 cal. rifles. In this bullet from Accurate, I wanted the weight of the two ( 200 grs. - 210 grs ) , but I wanted a larger meplat.

I was concerned that as long as the nose was going to be on this particular design that the nose ( if it were a full .301 or .302 " as it is on a lot of my nose riders ) would jam into the rifling early and cause me to have to deep seat the bullets, a condition that I wanted to avoid.
That is when I got the idea of the 1st half of the nose being .300" and the 2nd half closest to the drive bands being .301" in dia. So far , this design fits all of my .30 cal. rifles that I've tried to chamber this bullet in. As you can see from the test targets, no harm seems to be done in the accuracy dept. either.

The large meplat of my new Accurate 210 gr. bullet is to enhance the bullet's killer power on white-tail deer. I think at 1,800 fps if the range is kept reasonable , this one should be a good killer on deer.

Of course, considering the way the new bullet is shooting now, it will definitely be a good " off season " target bullet also.

Ben

 

[Ben]

I'm not surprised by the results in the least.
notice the similarity's?

Give us more details on this one ? ?

Ben

 

[Brad]

That appears to be an Accurate 31 165A. I have an inkling that fiver may be the guy behind that one.

 

[quicksylver]

Ok since we are drifting ever so slightly here, I'm going to chime in..

NOSE DIAMETER...what should it be?...perhaps too vague of a question...right?...right !

It all depends on the specific gun...we know that ..pound test and all..BUT it occurred to me after having used (with fantastic results) shorter/lighter weight bullets with larger for caliber noses in a variety of 30 cal guns that there maybe two answers to the question....

Longer/heavier bullets function and shoot more accurately if they have a nose that is tapered to fit the rifling (bore) and then taper out to fill the leade..in other words they would have a smaller nose then let's say a shorter/lighter bullet that would engrave the rifling earlier....and the taper (if any) would be sharper/quicker on them...

Taking all this into consideration..the nose diameter of a 200 gr 30 cal bullet would be lets say .302 and the nose diameter of a 155 gr bullet would be .304 ...so as I said shorter bullets would have a bigger nose than longer bullets..of course those numbers would be dependent on the particular rifle..

So again to visualize this ..imagine taking the Saeco 315 and either extending it's length or cutting it shorter..extending it would result in a bullet with a smaller nose and shortening it would result in a bullet with a bigger nose..

Again what works depends on the gun..my Remington 700 VS .308 will easily chamber 311299 with a .304 nose and sized .310 will shoot like there's no tomorrow..one of my best light weight bullets for the same gun is the 314466 with a .304 nose again sized .310..

I actually followed through and tested this concept and had Tom make up a mold that had two bullets of the same design but different weights and nose diameters to see if this held true...it did and I will post the results later..

So sorry to drift off like this, especially in such a simplistic way, but I thought Ben's success with his bullet was a good segue to discussing bullet weights/lengths in relationship to nose diameters....Dan

 

[KHornet]

It is real hard to beat success Ben! Excellent

 

[fiver]

it is the 165-A
the nose does taper from 300 to 301
then the front edge of the front drive band mimics the 308's taper into the barrel at the end of the leade.
the bullet makes .310 right from the mold, and that is what it gets sized to.
Tomme boy had a lot to do with the design.
it is shaped to minimize any air gaps between the steel and the lead when the round is snuggled forward.
the extra bit of front drive band lightly scuffs as it goes into place.
between that and the light engraving on the nose you have 2 points of contact helping hold things straight.

when I [and I assume others] mention 'Fit is king' that full contact between the two, without things being forced into place is what I envision.
extra diameter is used to compensate alignment issues by many others, I believe in getting things straight then not damaging the bullet moving it forward.
by sizing larger than the choke points in the rifle you are displacing lead.
your displacing it any way with the rifling and such so you need to compensate for that, but adding more diameter displaces things even worse, and can even lead to damaging the bullet.

remember I am talking about rifles with decent measurements [diameters] and fairly straight chamber to barrel relationships.

 

[Ben]

All this is VERY interesting.

Ben