Cleaning auto loader innerds

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
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What is your preferred method for cleaning the innerds on a complex autoloader? I'm not talking a 1911 that is easy to tear down and clean. I'm talking a CZ75 B. I tore mine completely down once. ONCE. Never again. Lots of little bits and springs. Took me way too much time, effort, and frustration to ever do that again.

So, spray it down with break cleaner? Soak in Ed's Red then blow it out?

How do YOU clean such a handgun?
 

williamwaco

Active Member
What is your preferred method for cleaning the innerds on a complex autoloader? I'm not talking a 1911 that is easy to tear down and clean. I'm talking a CZ75 B. I tore mine completely down once. ONCE. Never again. Lots of little bits and springs. Took me way too much time, effort, and frustration to ever do that again.

So, spray it down with break cleaner? Soak in Ed's Red then blow it out?

How do YOU clean such a handgun?

I use the spray cleaners from the Auto Parts store.

Carb, brake or just degreaser. They all work well and are very inexpensive compared to the gun specific "blasters"
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
Reading the labels Brake Cleaner and Gun Scrubber are the same chemicals, difference is the Gun Scrubber comes in a smaller can for twice the money. Here's a tip for those that use brake cleaner, the NAPA brand has a smaller nozzle on the can than other brands I've used. What that means is that somewhat less comes out when ya press the button and the can will last longer. Some brands it seems have a much larger nozzle, a lot comes out all at once and the can is empty much sooner and you can then buy more. I'm sure that's not intentional. :confused:
 

Ian

Notorious member
1. Field strip
2. Remove plastic/wood parts
3. Hose down with Berryman B-12 Chemtool
4. Wait a minute and repeat step 3
5. Submerge in .30-cal steel ammo can 3/4 full of Ed's Red, close and latch lid
6. Remove a few hours or days later, blow out with compressed air, scrub with toothbrush, inspect, repeat
7. Let sit on old towel overnight or afternoon in sun
8. Lube as required and reassemble

I took apart a Ruger Mk II and managed to put it together again........ONCE.
 

Brad

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Staff member
Ok, that is what I was looking for Ian.
For an initial go I am gonna do this today. Remove the grips. Hose down with WD40. A lousy chemical over all but it isn't a bad solvent for removing old grease and oil. Let it sit for a bit to loosen up. Scrap some areas gently with toothbrush. Hose down with break cleaner to remove most of the grunge. Liberally flush with Ed's Red and let sit. Blow out and sit on towels to drain. Oil some key spots and reassemble.

I know, WD40. I used it to remove the majority of the grease and grunge the lathe was packed in. It isn't a bad solvent for that kind of work and did a good job. It still gets used for cleaning the lathe, that and mineral spirits. Other than that it just sits there.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Spray with brake cleaner, scrub as possible, maybe scrape hard crud inside with the back end wire brush on one
of those gun show brass "sorta toothbrush" things, spray again, over a trash barrel to keep the gunk from
getting everywhere. Then wipe with paper towels or a shop rag, relube with favorite lube, usually
a synthetic motor oil or synthetic gun oil. Wipe with an oily rag and then a dry, clean rag and
you are done.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I recommend the carb cleaner if there's some hard fouling crust. Soak it, let it sit for a minute or two, blast again on problem areas. This won't remove it all but pre-softens stuff a bit. The acetone in the Ed's works on it pretty hard, too, but not like MEK in carb cleaner does. Compressed air helps "scrub" where you can't reach. Dunking and swishing a second time after the air blasting helps rinse away the stuff the compressed air loosened up. It makes a royal mess blasting dirty Ed's Red out of a pistol's hard-to-reach innards with compressed air, but it works. I do all the blasting outside, my little contribution to global warming.
 

JRR

New Member
I use carb cleaner on all the parts in the frame. The area on a CZ 75B that really gets gunked up is on the breech face, under and around the extractor. A lot of high pressure blasting there will send it back at you and into your face. I usually dig the crud out with an eye glasses screw driver. It will get under the extractor and around the rest of the area. These little drivers are part of my "kit".

It is quite easy to disassemble up to the safety. After taking out the safety, the sear cage can be lifted out as a unit. You don't need to break it down any further. DO NOT take the sear cage down without having a couple extra firing pin block lifter springs. When they spring out they look exactly like one of my dog's hairs on the carpet.

Jeff
 

Brad

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Staff member
Yeah, I took the sear cage apart once. Once! Lots of little pieces and the springs are tiny. Worst of all was getting the trigger back in with the spring in the correct location. I think I invented a couple new words that day.
 

Mike W1

Active Member
I just soak things in Ed's Red (no acetone) and scrub with a bristle brush. Then spray with aerosol and a overall wipe with a dab of #9 following by a light coat of gun oil. Really like the little Midway plastic pics too.

Don't know anyone with a CZ but you can really entertain yourself putting after market parts in a Ruger 22/45!
 
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9.3X62AL

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I am not keen on using Gun Scrubber/Brake Kleen/carburetor cleaner on firearms. ESPECIALLY steel ones. The oily lubricants we apply to our arms don't just dampen the surface metal, but also permeate the alloy on the molecular level. A cast iron frying pan is "seasoned" in similar fashion. Use of these spray-on dessicants strips metal of this seasoning. Hoppe's #9 or Rem Oil spray is better. Ed's Red is probably just as good, though I have no experience with it. This above is courtesy of the FBI Labs.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I was gifted a gallon of GI CLP and the opportunity to fool with a Colts 1917 that was especially grungy inside . I soaked it over night in a plastic cake box with the grips removed covered in the CLP . I cycled it double action 20-30 times, I was actually surprised by the amount of gunk that washed out . It had been a closet queen for 30 yr but before that was a monthly shooter. The CLP not only knocked all the dirt loose and floated it out but it loosened the lead that had accumulated over decades of shooting. While it was soaking I moused up a wire stand to let it drip dry back into the pan . That was probably the cleanest it had been since it left the armory. I expect Hopes 9 would work as well.

To the OP .
The above worked so well that I tossed a stripped High Power clone . I used a regular spray bottle of 4 oz or so to wash out the parts that I couldn't get at with a tooth brush and swish. In this case it loosened stuff I didn't even know was stuck in the slide and frame.
 

Brad

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I have a gallon of WD40 and a trigger sprayer. It worked well to flush grunge from the inside of the CZ75. I followed with a toothbrush to loosen more and then more WD40. Blow it out with a compressor then hose it down with a good spray oil.
 
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9.3X62AL

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Not meaning to beat this subject to death here, but CLP and Hoppe's #9 are pretty darn good solvents. Both do a decent but S-L-O-W job of removing copper fouling, and have the advantage of NOT etching stainless barrel steels in the manner that ammonia-containing solvents can. Most stainless steel alloys contain a small percentage of copper, and if Sweet's or Barnes or other ammonia-based copper removers are left on SS for any length of time BAD THINGS can happen. I use ammonia for jacket deposit removal, but I remove it after 15-20 minutes and flush it with Hoppe's or CLP. I stand the rifle muzzle-down in the safe with a plastic cup to contain drip-out solvent. The deposits run from robin-egg blue to blue-green in my J-word rifles......which are relatively few any more. I habitually patch out EVERY rifle bore before a shooting trip with that given arm. Now, some of my cast bullet rifles haven't been bore-cleaned in 5+ years. Same story on 22 LR barrels. Mechanisms and chambers? Sure--after every firing. Lube stars and bore seasonings get LEFT ALONE.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I have to chuckle at Ian with the Ruger .22 Std auto pistol aversion. It is actually
EXTREMELY simple to reassemble, once someone tells or far better, shows you how. Many
folks have this issue, but it is only because they don't understand what is going on.
Once you do, it really is easy as pie.

Took me a bunch of tries when I was 16 and it was my only pistol. Since then, I have
owned a number of them and and will take one down to clean in a heartbeat. I can
reassemble in probably 1 minute. I DO understand that if you aren't clear on what you
are doing, it is a real booger, but once you see it - no big deal at all.

Brad - I have heard that the Omega version of the CZ75 was specifically redesigned
internally for not only a bit better trigger, but reports are that it is somehow far simpler
and easy to tear down and reassemble. If was looking for a CZ75, the Omega version
would definitely be on my list.

Definitely with Al on .22 LR bbls, and the pistols which only get my own cast bullets.
Commercial stuff eventually leaves enough streaky lead in some bbls (Crayola lube is
just not that good) that they eventually need to be cleaned out.

Bill
 
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9.3X62AL

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Bill--

Darn you anyway. Go easy on this here social science major. Kidding aside, I CAN rassle the Ruger 22/45 back together with fair efficiency, but the procedure seems to be 5X as complicated as it needs to be. Like extracting teeth via the anal vent. I suspect some patent-dodging was going on c. 1949 when these EXCELLENT pistols began showing up. On the up side, Ruger 22 LR pistols aren't especially dirt-sensitive, or ammo-sensitive. That Rube Goldberg mechanism stays reliable many times longer than do LOTS of self-loading rimfire actions in both short and long arms. Heck yes, I would buy another one.......cattywhompus disassemby sequence and all.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
OK, here is the Ruger .22 "trick", it is simple, once you get the correct info.

First, as is fairly obvious, the hammer goes up INSIDE the slide to hit the firing pin. So, to take out
the slide the hammer need be back (in the cocked position). You start the disassembly with the
hammer "fired" (forward), pulling the latch out and pivoting the mainspring housing outward. Some
guns need a pair of pliers gripping the latch (invisible surface when assembled, any scratches will
not show) to pivot it out of the frame slot.

Note the little dimpled inward cap in the top of the "ledge" on the mainspring housing as it pivots outward.
Pull the whole mainspring housing downward, sometimes takes a tap on the pin on the top of the
rear receiver, pulling this vertical pin out with the mainspring housing. Now, get a flashlight and
look up inside the pistol where you just pulled out the MS housing. Find the little dangling hammer strut
on the back of the hammer. If you tilt the barrel up at about 45 deg angle and rock back and forward,
you should see the strut dangle freely. It is attached to the back of the hammer, a lighter grey color,
and not too hard to see. If you see the strut, that is plenty.

You can't pull back the slide because the hammer is forward, remember? So, point the muzzle in the
air and pull the trigger. This pulls the sear away from the hammer and lets the hammer flop
rearward (down, in the muzzle up orientation). You can sometimes hear it flop. Now, look up again
and see the strut DANGLE FREELY. If you pulled the trigger with the muzzle level and held it in and
and THEN raised the muzzle, the strut will catch behind a cross pin and you need to free it up. To do this,
point the muzzle down, pull the trigger and shake the pistol a bit (get hammer back fwd), then release the
trigger (locks the hammer in place), raise the muzzle to 45 deg up and THEN pull the trigger again. Look
and see that the hammer is back and the strut flopping freely - it is almost hanging out of the mainspring
housing slot at this point if it is in the right position.

Now the slide is free to be removed, cleaned and reinserted. If you want to clean down in the frame,
remove the upper receiver from the frame by whacking the muzzle with plastic hammer or wooden
mallet. Put it back on the same way, after taking a bit of time to look at the hammer and strut and
let if flop backwards and forwards when you can see it clearly. Hammer back (down), slide on the
receiver, seat by a few smart whacks on the rear with non-marring thumper.

Next, you need the hammer forward to assemble the mainspring housing. Muzzle down, pull the trigger,
shake the gun. Release the trigger (sear holds hammer in place when trigger is released by spring
pressure) and raise muzzle, see that the hammer is fwd, strut dangling freely. Lower muzzle (finger stays
off trigger!) and push mainspring housing pin ALL THE WAY UP until it protrudes from the top of the
receiver. Getting the vertical pin seated may take a light whack on what will eventually be the front
of the mainspring housing to seat it fully. Some just slide in, some are tight.

Muzzle still level or down, start swinging the mainspring housing so that the hook (big square notch) gets
past the strut (strut is fwd, clear, with muzzle level or down) until the mainspring housing bottom front is about 1/4"
clear of the back of the frame, then stop, hold mainspring housing in that position . Raise muzzle to 45 deg
up (don't pull trigger!), gravity swings strut so it will hit the little mainspring cap's cup) and close the latch. Pull
the slide back to cock and see if it is OK. If you missed it, unlatch, swing the mainspring housing back just a
bit and set muzzle 45 up and close again.

The entire trick is understanding three things. 1) the hammer has to be forward to disassemble or assemble
the MS housing. 2) hammer has to be back to remove or insert bolt. 3) strut has to dangle from FORWARD
hammer at about 45 deg muzzle up to hit the mainspring housing cap as it is closed the last bit.


Catching the strut behind the pin - as explained above, is very frustrating and will absolutely stop the
process until you clear it. PITA until you know to look and verify that it is dangling freely. The
22/45 frames do not have this cross pin, so there is one less potential hangup.

Get out your Ruger .22 and try it. Really very easy ONCE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON AND
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, which you now know. I just did one of mine in about a minute, got it the first time.

Best wishes, this is a bear to the uninitiated, but a pussycat once you get it explained properly.
The price we pay for a very accurate, reliable and affordable pistol. Mr . Ruger was definitely
a genius on this one.

Takes 50 times as long to tell as to do.
Bill
 
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Cherokee

Medina, Ohio
I copied that and saved it for the next time I take down my Mk 1 or Mk 3. thanks Bill. I have to clean them so few times I forget that stuff in between.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Very welcome. I got my first Ruger at age 16 and when I took it apart......... OMG!! No real
instructions in those days, SO I sat down and looked carefully at all the parts and slowly, slowly
puzzled out what the HECK was going on. Now, almost 50 years later, with a number of different
versions in the collection, I am happy to pass it on to others so they don't have to be so frustrated.

I think you have to have the mag in with the later models to pull the trigger and
get it to work. Haven't done one of them, yet.

Bill
 

Cherokee

Medina, Ohio
Yes Bill, the trigger disconnect will get you if the mag is not in the Mk 3; not a fan of trigger disconnects.

Your story reminds me of the time I loaned my Ruger SS 22LR to my future BIL back in '59, I got it back in parts because he lost the little saddle that holds the hammer strut in the grip frame. He just wanted to clean it good and detail stripped the gun but did not know what he was doing. Kinda like the first time I took my Mk 1 apart.