Ed's Red

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
FWIW, I use ATF as a general lube/cleaner of a lot of mechanical stuff here ont he farm. It simply works. Anything greasy/rusty/dirty that is supposed to move will generally get hosed off with an air gun, hit with a wire wheel and dosed with ATF or ATF/diesel. Once it's moving properly we move on to grease and oil. Good stuff.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
FWIW, I use ATF as a general lube/cleaner of a lot of mechanical stuff here ont he farm. It simply works. Anything greasy/rusty/dirty that is supposed to move will generally get hosed off with an air gun, hit with a wire wheel and dosed with ATF or ATF/diesel. Once it's moving properly we move on to grease and oil. Good stuff.

I don't have diesel handy, but use kerosene. Definitely a worthy GP penetrant. It's not just cheap (and saves trips to town), it works. I've never been able to compare it objectively to commercial concoctions but those spray cans can be handy.

That part wasn't lost on me the first time I read about Ed's Red and have wondered about the effectiveness/necessity of the other two ingredients - at least for what I need. Ed uses it for everything as far as I can tell, and I rarely shoot, let alone clean jacket-shooters any more. Can't attest to how it works on those.

I've used Kroil, cheap WM "Spray Lubricant" (which might just be odorless K1 with a propellant), Ed's Red, Hoppes, etc. in my cast bores and have not found any of them to not work - unless I'm missing something which may bite me on the butt later through some accumulated problem I've not noticed.


RB, please don't say that about Kroil. That's the one last bit of canned alchemy I still have faith in possessing some literal magical property. That stuff finds it's way through the rolled seems on the cans faster than I can actually use it up. Kroil - if nothing else works, dribble some Kroil on it and come back later. I gave up Santa and the Easter Bunny over fifty years ago - let me maintain my delusions about my little orange can of hope.;)

Side note: The cheap WM "Spray Lube" is all I use for sharpening edged tools. I never use it as a lube because it just sucks at that, and it's just OK as a penetrating oil, but it's cheap and floats swarf out of your stones and abrasive papers very effectively.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
There's other elixirs in the can but my mechanics nose says pine sap derived solvent and the feel is much like the dexetron and Type F of my youth . It's also red out of the spray can . Don't ask it was a horrible day . 3 dead cans with half their contents trapped inside ..........

Love Kroil , just can't find store front vendors .
 

Todd M

Craftsman of metals...always learning.
Can Lacquer Thinner be substituted for the acetone/turpentine/mineral spirits?
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
....................Love Kroil , just can't find store front vendors .

True! That's why I hide my little can and use it sparingly.

"Pine-sap derived solvent" - I love the smell of the stuff. Some people hate it.

One of these days, I have to try Ballistol just for giggles. Everyone says that stuff stinks too.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Ballistol was basically and earlier, German version of Ed's Red from a functional standpoint: Military stuff that could be made by the tank car load with inexpensive and readily-available bulk materials. ATF and acetone runs circles around Kroil as a penetrating oil, the only advantage to Kroil is it doesn't evaporate as quickly.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
you know brake fluid is a great penetrant too it will eat/seep it's way through all kinds of stuff.
it's a last resort, and needs cleaned up afterwards, but it works on the super rusty stuff.
I'm not pouring any in my gun solvent,, but on a stuck bleeder valve or rear spring bolts yeah.
that and a shot of the old Mopar exhaust heat valve unsticker stuff works wonders.

if it's something fine and delicate your not gonna get any better than acetone and ATF mixed 50-50, it will get down into fine threads and small crevices and stay there better than anything else.
 

Ian

Notorious member
that and a shot of the old Mopar exhaust heat valve unsticker stuff works wonders.

The foamy stuff that looked like a cookies'n'cream milkshake? Good stuff, still have a short can of it that I'm saving for "the war".
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
that's the stuff, I think I have like 4 cans of it out in the shed.
I used a can or two when I tore the old scouts down years back and made one good one out of those 2 and some new parts.
good at loosening stuff up, not a long term lubricant, but I didn't round off a single bolt.

my mechanic swears by kroil and it works pretty good too if you give it some time to work.
I know he cleans his rifles with it too.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
There was a test of some sort done a few years back comparing ATF/Acetone with all the big name "penetrating lubricants", everything from Gibbs, to Kroil to WD40 to PB Balster. ATF/Acetone out performed them all. Now, whether it was an unbiased, accurate test I can't say. Some folks say the best rust losener-upper is boiling hot hot water or steam.
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
After reflecting about my particular situation I now see one really simple way to salvage the 3/4 gal. of Eds Red with MMO I have in the garage.

Add 3/4 qt. of ATF to it.

I couldn't see the forest for all the damn trees.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I believe the original test were done at U of Iowa or Iowa St at the request of the Peace Corps. In western Africa, rusting farm equipment was impacting food production. Mechanics and tools were is short supply so one of their request was for the cheapest rust penetrant they could make in country. ATF and acetone was the answer.
 

Todd M

Craftsman of metals...always learning.
Can Lacquer Thinner be substituted for the acetone/turpentine/mineral spirits?
Anyone got an opinion on this? If so, I can whip up some Ed's Red with what I have, as my guns mostly are in an outdoor shed that sees pretty decent temperature changes.
 

Bill

Active Member
If your guns are outside in a shed, you need axle grease and not oil, lacquer thinner should work for your other stuff

Bill
 

Ian

Notorious member
Laquer thinner has acetone in it but also contains a substantial amount of alcohol and toluene to assist in dissolving the laquer. Alcohol attracts moisure and emulsifies it.