it's weekend time again.

[fiver]

I was just starting to figure P/B out when they discontinued it.
AM. select is pretty close, so is green-dot and International Clays.
I use more green-dot than Intl. clays since it's easier for me to find.
I do keep some Intl. around for the 20 ga. it just seems to work well for me, and it would probably see more use if it weren't a hodgdon product.

 

[Eutectic]

With PB gone Green Dot is now my 16ga 'clays' powder. Does well and I have 8 lbs of PB but a niche is gone along with PB for dependable low pressure shotshells.

 

[fiver]

I know a lot of people speculated that PB was the powder Federal was using in their paper hulls back in the day.
it was quite the coincidence that PB was dropped right about the time Federal started partnering with Rio [Maxam] to have a lot of their shells made by them.
[they also stopped making the 12S-3 wad, but are supposedly making a 12s-5 wad now]
Federal is also using and selling Rio shot as their own.
I know Rio has a plant in the USA [Texas for sure and maybe another in the south east] and makes several of the federal promo type shells as well as a sister product with their own name on it.
now somehow Cheddite is involved with the whole thing since they own the Estate name brand and the yellow/red boxes they sell are made with Rio hulls and federal type primers
[copy of the federal top gun Hull] but better shot and better wad than the top gun uses.
however their white Box Estates are a straight up Cheddite hull [imported from France] their newer hulls use a smaller primer and we generally call them a type-2.
the 'type-1's' took a larger diameter Rio primer. [this is the hull-primer combination I was using to start this conversation]
Cheddite [from France] makes the Rio hulls for sale in Europe, and is the number one hull maker in the world.


I believe Winchester has/had a similar deal going with Nobel Sport, at least for the manufacture of some of it's components.
stupid global market is screwing up our shooting,,,, kind of,, some of the imported stuff is pretty damn good stuff and carry's a good price tag when you can find it.

 

[Eutectic]

We built a plant in Wyoming in the 80's I met an Iowa guy there in construction. He was a big time trap shooter at home and HE got me onto PB. He said the same thing only that the Federal Gold Medal Handicap Paper loads had PB on board. He said 'all the top dogs' used these paper factory loads in important state competition.... Said it patterned so well that that's all he reloaded with! He wasn't shooting much and had a full metal drum (12 lbs) I worked to get until I transferred to Texas.

 

[Rally Hess]

I have used quite a few Cheddite primers in shot shell reloading. Never had a problem with them, and they were cheap. Still have 1400 or so.
Any idea what Remington used in their 16 ga. 1 1/8 oz field loads in the 70,s. Herco maybe?

 

[Eutectic]

I vaguely remember them being fairly dirty and Herco would be a good choice for that load in the 16..... I still use Herco in the 16 (maybe because I have it to use) Dirty yes.... but you can count on it.

 

[fiver]

Herco used to be a favorite for field loads of all kinds.

I think I have some 16ga. factory field loads from about the 70's,,, not too keen on cutting one open though.

some guys don't like the Cheddite primers.
I think it's the guns that strike the primer on an angle that cause the problems they encounter.
none of my low dollar guns split the primers or have a piercing problem with them, they do seem to be a bit lower brisance than a Winchester though.

 

[fiver]

I been letting this thread slide a bit for a month or so.
not that I haven't had any weekend type observations I just haven't wrote them down.

figured I better put one in.
it's about simple things like how simple math doesn't always work out.
for instance.
my garden hoses run at about 4-5 gallons a minute.
the one in front is closer to 4 minutes due to it being 1/2" pipe.
this is the same 1/2" pipe that goes to my bathroom after being reduced down from 3/4" pipe at the water heater.
so knowing that the 1/2" pipe will run 4 gallons a minute and that the water heater holds 50 gallons of hot water,, the water heater should be empty in about 12 minutes.
this is of course using normal divisional math we all learn in the third grade.
however my wife has figured out how to use Disney math for her hot water.
45 minutes run time and enough heated steamy water vapor to warp every wooden object in the room is just about the amount she can squeeze from ours.
how? just how?

 

[Brad]

Maybe you need to do new math and figure that if you have 1 wife and subtract 1 how many wives do you have?

 

[Rick]

Very simple grasshopper, very simple. When running the shower it's not all 4 gallons from the hot water heater. you are mixing in with it as part of the 4 gallons water from the cold line plus the water heater is running during that time giving you a bit more.

 

[Ian]

Maybe you need to do new math and figure that if you have 1 wife and subtract 1 how many wives do you have?

I thought Rick was going to say add one, subtract one, add one, subtract one, add one, subtract one and end up with 4 gallons of hot water used per five-minute shower.

 

[Brad]

Fiver, have her read your comments and you will be in more hot water after than you can ever use.

 

[Rally]

That's still cheaper than half of everything!!
I'd like to know how they can leave the equivalence of a wig in the bath drain and still have a full head of hair??

 

[fiver]

I tried the half of everything deal once.
I come home and showed her a lottery ticket and told her it was a winner.
I asked if she would take half to leave.... nope.
too bad for her, I kept all 25$.

 

[Ian]

Lol!