Mould for the 50-110

Ben

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My cousin has a Winchester 1886, 50-110.
He bought a mould and sizer.
He asked me if I'd cast him some bullets.
I told him that I would.
This thing drains the pot pretty fast.

Ben

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Spindrift

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Very nice (and very large) bullets!
I bet they will also drain a deer pretty fast. Nice work, as always!
 

Ben

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I emailed the photos to the owner of the rifle.
He is anxious to try them out after seeing the pics.

Ben
 

Ben

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I think he is shooting about 60 grs. of IMR 3031 ???????????
Notice that I said " He is shooting ".........not me !

Ben
 
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462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Shades of Billy Dixon, his "big 50", and The Second Battle of Adobe Walls.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I think some bullets cross the line from being "bullets" and threaten to claim "ingot" status.

I have one such monster that got test-drives in my now-departed Ruger #1 in 45/70. I refer to it as "Mastodon Flattener", but its commercial sobriquet is "Lyman #462560", a 552 grain bore-rider with radiused flat-nose. It resembles the hybrid offspring of Lyman #311291 and a 750 grain 50 BMG bullet. Once velocity went past 1300 FPS in that 7-1/4# Ruger #1, recoil became "exhilarating" as the late Charles Askins was known to call it. The redeeming feature of this bullet--yes, there actually is one--is that a 100%-density load of WC-860 powder (45.0 grains) set off by Federal #215 primers leaves no unburned powder kernels downbore. Velocity is in the tolerable range, about 1250-1275 FPS and accuracy is adequate--better than deer slugs from a rifled Rem 870. You don't shoot small targets with 552 grain 45 caliber bullet or with 12 gauge slugs. Marlin and Ruger 45/70s have 1-20" twists; the 458 Win Mags this bullet was meant to address have 1-14" twists. It might be a more accurate number in a faster twist--I did run some into the 1500-1550 ballpark in the #1, and they grouped a little tighter (1-3/4" at 50 yards vs. 2-1/2"), but 20 rounds of that entertainment was sufficient in a given month. In the Marlin, the loaded rounds are WAY too long to run up the lifter, so they go in one at a time. They will extract if unfired, but can't eject. So, the lever pivot screw comes out--remove the lever--pull out the bolt (the ejector WILL hit the case rim) unhook the case rim from the extractor, push the cartridge forward--remove the ejector--remove the bolt, and let the cartridge slide out in pursuit of the removed bolt. You have been fairly warned.
 

Hawk

North Central Texas
All I can say is, ooouuuch!
My reconstructed shoulder hurts just thinking about it!
 

david s

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The most violently recoiling rifle that I've ever played with was a Ruger No.3 in 45-70 and heavy hand loads. Your cousin has excellent taste in rifles. I'm of the opinion that the model 1886 rifles are among the most handsome firer arms ever made. I currently shoot a pair of the Browning copy's in 45-70. One of the rifles and a carbine. Both shoot a 425 grain cast gas check at around 1950-2000fps and neither is anywhere near as bad as the No. 3. we refer to these rifles as "over the shoulder boulder throwers" the 50-110 even more so.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
I had the great privilege of firing three shots from a beautiful Turnbull rebuilt Winchester 1886 Sporting Rifle chambered in 45-70.

A Winchester straight stocked lever action stirs my soul, as does its Henry predecessor.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
The Marlin lever 45/70 is a lot less punishment to fire than was the Ruger #1, load-for-load. An Accurate 390 grain FN/GC running about 1550 FPS seems like a "sweet spot" for this rifle, sub-2" at 100 yards and it stays above Mach-1 for the entire ride to 175 yards, which is 25 yards farther than any shot-on-game I will ever take with the rifle.
 

smokeywolf

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Partly to conserve lead and partly to minimize the wear and tear on what's left of my body, I think I'd stick with the 450 or 395 grain bullet in the model '86.
 

Rick

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The 577 Super Snider, for things that absolutely positively guaranteed has to be shot . . . Once. :)
 

Brad

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The 577 Super Snider is a single shot largely because nobody was strong enough to carry the rifle when loaded with 5 rounds.
 

Missionary

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Good morning
We have a 50 Alaskan in an 86 jap and shoot a 525 grainer gc at all sorts of "soon to be destroyed" objects at 1850 fps and more. A good recoil pad and shoot of cross sticks keeps it all painless. Those 450-500 grainers we use for plinking.
During our load development found 4198 gave better results in our 26 inch barrel.
 

Pistolero

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60 gr of 3031 under a 500 gr cast ......:oops: That sounds fairly hot at first glance.

Of course, I shoot 57 gr of W748 as my standard .45-70 hunting load under a 405 cast GC or Rem JSP,
so I guess that isn't much different. My load runs 1750 fps in my Marlin GG. Worked well on
wildebeeste and zebra.

Bill
 
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