Mystery Pump Action Rifle--I Am Stumped

Ian

Notorious member
Somethin' about skinny longhaired southpaws named Ian.....

BTW, that wasn't me, that was all Ric and Bob.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Yes, a Standard. I saw one sit for years at a local gun shop. Hefted it time after time. Never could warm enougf to it to make an offer.
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
Somethin' about skinny longhaired southpaws named Ian.....

BTW, that wasn't me, that was all Ric and Bob.

Mostly Rick. I was trying to figure out where I'd seen that design before when I saw Ricks post. Then I remembered :).
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
From what I gather online, these were kinda problematic machines if run in self-loading mode--they broke a lot. The Remington Models 8 and 14 didn't break. You choose.

Regional biases are quite real. In my life, anyplace east of the Mississippi River = Siberia. The area west of that River but east of the Rockies Front Range might be worth seeing and hunting. the western third of the country was My World. In My World, larger game was taken with leverguns and bolt rifles. I don't recall ever seeing a Rem autoloader or pump action rifle among the folks I saw hunting in this area. Pre-64 Winchesters were IT--Molde 94 or Model 70. The End.

In 1984 I went on a whitetail hunt in Mason County, MI. I had along a Remington 700 BDL in 308, and a S&W 586 x 6" meant for the doe tag. Almost to a man, EVERY hunter I met used a Rem autoloader. They looked at my bolt rifle kinda funny. "We have those, too--mostly in museums, though". Smart alecks. There were a scattering of Marlin and Winchester leverguns, but this reliance upon gas guns was quite new to me.

The Rem 700 caused a dust-up, too. When Dad saw it with me on a local mountain deer hunt, you would think I had brought home a Klingon woman to meet him and Mom. Then when I drove up in a Buick sedan after my Ford F-100 died, he acted like I married her. He shook his head in mock anguish and disgust, and said, "Where have I failed?" He was a funny man, and do I ever miss him. Yes, biases are real.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I had never seen anything like it, and I have been immersed in this hobby field my entire life to some degree. Thanks again to Ric and Bob for the 4-1-1.

The rifle's owner Vern is about 10 years younger than I am. GREAT drug cop, GREAT general investigator, smart as a whip, and a Marine Reservist. he made Lieutentant on raw skill and genuine merit, which is almost unheard of at my shop. After retirement, he got bored and did a couple tours overseas--1 each in Iraq and Afghanistan, I believe. Not a REMF, either--point of the spear. Once those were notched, he came home and got bored again, so now he is a resident deputy at a rural posting in San Diego County. One of those guys that Lives For The S--t. His son just went to work at a city police department in Riverside County some months back. GREAT family. I love them all.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Sounds like Vern is a guy we need more of in this country. Marines are good folks, IME.

Two of the next gen of my extended family (the other branch) went USMC aviator route, unfortunately one was KIA
in Afghanistan. The other one is flying USMC latest jets. They will be visiting us at our Colorado cabin in
a month or so to play in the snow.
And two "god nephews" are in the Marines doing electronics work. I really like what
the Marines do with a young man.

Bill
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Almost to a man, EVERY hunter I met used a Rem autoloader. They looked at my bolt rifle kinda funny. "We have those, too--mostly in museums, though". Smart alecks. There were a scattering of Marlin and Winchester leverguns, but this reliance upon gas guns was quite new to me.

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You'd really be out of your comfort zone in my area. Ruger 44 autoloaders were THE rifle to have for many, many years. It's still hard to find one for sale. I missed one a few years back. The Ruger lever is also quite popular. These are for the hunters. The "Hail Mary full of Grace, let me hit that little speck out there!" with their camo, bipod equipped super sniper rifles shoot the latest bolt action Loundenboomers. Never could figure out why you need to be decked out in camo from head to toe, including your rifle and scope, when sniping at a deer 450+ yards away from inside an elevated blind...
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Oh, I think I have expanded my horizons a bit since the early 1980s. I have ALWAYS thought the 44 Magnum was a far better rifle cartridge than handgun round. It occurred to me a while back that the longest shot I have ever taken on a deer was at 125 yards--my first one in 1968 (Win 94 in 30/30, open irons). It ain't 'Battle of Jutland' stuff, ballistically speaking.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Nothing that a deer needs can't be done with a .30-30 inside of 150 yds or even 200 if you
have sighting gear to work at that range.

Bret, I have watched them turn four good young men into really great young men, quickly
and reliably. The USMC does know what they are doing. And each of the young men
selected it because that is what they were looking for.

Bill
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Anyone joining the USMC that isn't looking for the challenge is in the wrong place.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
The Corps is where you go when you want to know exactly what you're getting into . They are like the plumers on a job site some big equipment comes in and breaks things up and they go in first over night and do the quick and dirty rough in then toward the end of the job the come in and fix their handy work that the other guys twisted mangled and moved around . At the end of it all they stay another week on a 90 day job to make the finish guy look good and to be sure nothing leaks before or reasonably after the new owners take possession . First in last out and no way to get the tool box any closer so they gotta walk and pack it all .

Soldier on .
Had an Uncle and 2 would be brothers that spent some time with the Corps . Good men .
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I like it, Bret. Humor isn't funny if there isn't a clear grain of truth to it. And this is funny.
I suspect even the Marines would like it.

Even though many in my family spent careers in the USN, I still shake my head and am
embarrassed at the 'blueberries' uniform. Seriously? Totally ridiculous wannabe fake
camo. BLUE? Are they hiding in the waves? Hiding out in Smurfville? If you are on shore duty,
maybe normal brown/green cammies might have some use, but at sea......doesn't matter one bit what
you wear, they WILL see the SHIP. They are shooting at the ship, not you.

Khakis or Navy blue for officers and dungarees and chambray shirts for enlisted was sensible. And the
Cracker Jacks is still a cool look. But 'blueberries' - really ridiculous.

Bill
 

rodmkr

Temecula California
The idea was to make all services the same. Didn't work.
Latest in the uniform world is everyone is going to be in green camo the same as the marine corps.
Just another politicians boon doggle as his home state needed a government contract.
Was 25 years Navy and all of the sailors I have talked to hated the blue camo, said it made them look like battle smurfs!
Which is what the Marines called them!!
Jim
 
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RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I'm old, because I remember when you couldn't go off post without Class B's. I really liked khakis, wearing my stripes and ribbons everyday. Winter greens (Class A's) were comfortable to wear. Sateen and rip stop made you look fat and sloppy, but who cared out in the jungle? Greatest thing about rip stop is that you could slit the seam in the back of the pants when you had the runs and didn't have to take your web gear off to go.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
No camoflauge during my Air Force days, just OD regular and jungle fatigues.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
The oln'y good move I've seen in US military wear in the past few years is the Army getting rid of that silly beret. It was one thing when was Special Forces or the Rangers, but jeeze! Ya hand one out to every clerk and typist and it just negates the whole "esprit de corps" thing. Like with the shoulder braid thing that was all the rage for a while or the chrome helmets and the dickies of the late 50's/early 60's, it's just "fashion wear". Pick a uniform and wear it. The USMC has been wearing the same basic uniform since somewhere around WW2, be it Alphas, Bravos, Charlies or Blues. About the biggest change we had was adding crossed rifles to the enlisted insignia and canning the Barracks cover (thanks goodness!). The Navy Cracker Jacks in whte or blue were fine, gave a real sense of tradition and a proud history (don't tell my USMC buds I said that, but it is true). The Army and Air Force though, good Lord, it's like they change everything for spring and fall fashions! Pick something and stick with it! And white gloves- who in their right mind wears white gloves unless it's strictly a parade thing. Same with the Navy O's whites. Yeah, you look real pretty on parade, but it's nothing anyone could possibly want to wear unless orderd to, Tom Cruise movies aside. The Navy O's I was around liked the khaki tans they had. Good enough for Bull Halsey, good enough for anyone!