NOE 314210 PB 2 Cavity Brass Mold

[Snakeoil]

My shooting partner bought this mold new and it turned out he really did not need a bigger bullet in his rifle. So, he has no used for it.

This is the NOE version of the Lyman 214299 bullet. This the GC version this bullet in my 03 Springfield with great success. I would have taken the mold if I did not already own a 4 cavity version.

The mold is out of stock (what's new) at NOE but lists for $118.25. With shipping it would be $131.45 based upon 2020 shipping prices. Not sure if NOE is charging tax yet. There was no tax on my last mold purchase back in 2020.

Mold is in great shape. Steve smokes his molds and I cleaned it up. But the smoke is why it looks a little stained in places. I've never needed to smoke an NOE mold. Somebody told Steve to smoke his molds so he's always done it. I told it is not necessary.

$110 shipped anywhere in the US.

 

[JonB]

My shooting partner bought this mold new and it turned out he really did not need a bigger bullet in his rifle. So, he has no used for it.

This is the NOE version of the Lyman 214299 bullet. This the GC version this bullet in my 03 Springfield with great success. I would have taken the mold if I did not already own a 4 cavity version.

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Mod's feel free to delete my post if this isn't allowed.
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Snakeoil, maybe measure a sample bullet for the nose size of this bore rider bullet mold and offer that info for a potential buyer, as we know Fit is King, and Nose size of a Bore Rider is fairly important info. It'd be a shame if the buyer learns an expensive lesson, as the original buyer did... A lesson I also learned the hard way about this design and NOE's techniques.
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So, years back I ordered a two cavity NOE copy of the Lyman xxx-299 (with the 316 prefix.) It was for a old 30-40 krag with way oversize bore (.3145"), which is why I ordered the 316 instead of the 314, and figured I could size it down to .315
I get my NOE mold and as typical with NOE molds it cast .001 to .002 large.
The bullet cast was .317 with a .309 nose...that's a fat NOSE for sure, for a 30 cal bore rider.
My Rifle needed a fat nose, but not quite a .309 fat, I needed it to be about .304
Now most American 30 cal rifles have a bore diameter around .299 to .300
My Rifle did had a oversize bore for sure, but not way oversize .309 which is crazy.
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I asked NOE why his 316 had such a large Nose. He said it's the par for course due to his machining technique. Using the same tooling for .311 and .314 and .316 but oscillating the tool to make the bullet fatter...the problem is that it makes the nose fatter (at the same rate), as the body bands.
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I suspect this is why the owner of the mold found it too big for his rifle ...same way I did.

 

[fiver]

yep.
same cherry, wider oscillation on the CNC ='s bigger bullet in every respect.

i've seen it done in person.

 

[Snakeoil]

Never said that the bullet did not fit because it cast too big. The long story is when he slugged the bore, the zero on his dial caliper was off. So he ordered the .314 bullet mold. He realized his mistake a few months later. He's 86. He gets a pass. He simply decided to go with a different bullet which is the same bullet in .311. But, if I fire up the furnace, I will cast a few and measure them to provide the info.

I also fixed the first post. Lotsa typos and missing words. I was in a rush. It showed.

 

[Josh]

yep.
same cherry, wider oscillation on the CNC ='s bigger bullet in every respect.

i've seen it done in person.

When we were cutting some longer stuff like the 311-230 Lee copy, we had enough deflection in the cherry we had to cut the nose separately. We'd get a 0.311" body and a 0.298" bore ride. It's why the original Lee design had an undersized nose. We subsequently then ordered the cherries with a fat nose and with the measurable amount of deflection would come out correct in one cut.

 

[fiver]

those pointy noses will deflect enough to break the first time they touch anything.

i don't know if you remember but when you had those 140's i asked for a specific nose size and not a body diameter.
i knew i could size the body easy, but would have to get more tools to do the nose.
anyway that mold shoots like a champ in the Ruger 300 B.O. like i figured it would.

 

[Snakeoil]

Since the integrity of the mold has been called into question, I did not wait until I was going to cast to make a few bullets with the mold. I cast 4 bullets using my standard 20:1 mix. I heated the alloy in my extra-large dipper and then poured the bullets. I have to say that the brass mold cast some nice bullets from scratch. But I cast a few before I cast the 4 that I measured.

Here is a diagram showing the key bullet diameters for this mold. Both cavities fell within the ranges shown. The ranges were driven by the seam line, which is practically invisible. I can honestly say that this mold's seams are superior to any other mold I own or have case with in the past.


I have to admit that I'm a bit annoyed that someone would think that I'd be trying to pawn off an inferior mold on the members here. I kept the last two bullets that I cast and will ship them with the mold in case somebody thinks I'm not being straight with you here. The buyer can measure them to confirm what I have posted here.

To be clear, this mold is intended for a .303 British round.

 

[glassparman]

I would buy it to try with my Enfield but momma won't let me buy anymore right now

 

[fiver]

not accusing you Snake.
just that that particular design had some issues when it was first being cut.... not good nor bad in either way since the first one could be used for a few things, and would be desirable for those applications, but would definitely not work in many others.

 

[JonB]

I have learned that my comments were out of line.
I apologize for my comments.

 

[richhodg66]

That looks like a great mold. Unfortunately, money for gun stuff is kind of tight at the moment, though it is priced very fairly. I can't recall ever using a brass mold before.

 

[Snakeoil]

I realize that written comments can often be taken the wrong way. And I try to keep that in mind at all times. I have said things on the web that came out wrong and have learned my lesson the hard way.

I don't think anyone here had malice in mind with their comments. But some comments were implying that the mold was questionable and I did not think that was appropriate. It is perfectly fine to ask for dimensions from a bullet cast from the mold. I'd want to know that myself if I was considering a mold offered for sale here.

Appreciate the follow-up comments made here. We're all good.

 

[glassparman]

I was on gunboards.com a couple years ago and learned the hard way that the only acceptable post for something offered for sale are for the purchase.

I commented about a very dangerous process for something the guy was selling and almost got banned plus lots of nasty grams from the seller.

 

[Snakeoil]

I was on gunboards.com a couple years ago and learned the hard way that the only acceptable post for something offered for sale are for the purchase.

I commented about a very dangerous process for something the guy was selling and almost got banned plus lots of nasty grams from the seller.

I like to think that everyone here has nothing but good intentions and I'll maintain that belief until I'm proven wrong. We can't all be English scholars and what might never raise an eyebrow in face to face conversation can be the start of a range war in written form. I've seen a few get their panties in a knot here and as a bystander, I could understand why offense taken and also see that no offense was intended. It happens. We just have to be adults about it. When it turns into a pissin' contest about who is right and wrong, I tend to believe one of the parties involved is still wearing diapers.