Picking up this old Glock. Questions about casting- loading for it.

[Bret4207]

From what the Glock Armorer was telling me. Most of the lead- polygonal issues he has dealt with come down to user neglect. If it is a lead bullet issue it is usually caused by carelessness by someone who has no business loading for their self in the first place. His words not mine.
Like I mentioned earlier I may just go with land and groove, at his sugestion. It is a format I know. Plus according to him is a bit more forgiving.
I am probably going to end up buying a barrel seperate, any way.

I think the vast, vast majority (ok, almost ALL!!!) issues people have with guns comes down to user neglect or ignorance. Brand doesn't matter, there are people out there who could break an anvil and burn a pot of water.

Glocks are good, utilitarian guns. They go bang without issue for the most part. They function after lots of abuse. Nothing wrong with them, but not everyone is going to fall in love with one. To each their own, simple as that!

 

[Dusty Bannister]

I have the Glock mod 23 with factory barrel. I added a Lone Wolf conversion barrel from 40 to 9MM. Then bought the Glock 19 magazines. No other components have been changed. The poi has not changed with either barrel. I do not know if the use of a 23 slide and a 19 standard barrel would remain the same or not.

 

[Hawk]

I am a wheelgun guy.
I love the Smith & Wessons and have many. I know there are a lot of Colt guys out there. The Fords vs Chevy debate come to mind.
Eventually, I decided I needed some more rounds at my disposal.
I know one shot is all it might take, but I love my family and don't want to lose them because a large gang of men or teenagers might take a liking to my car, truck or wife and daughter and I didn't have enough rounds for them all.
I now have 8 Glocks, in 9mm, 40 S&W and 10mm.
All will shoot 5 shot, 1" groups at 25 yards with tuned hand-loads and are boringly reliable. I can't every remember a malfunction or failure to feed.
I like them, because in an emergency, my wife doesn't have to remember where the safety is and remember to click it off in the 2 or 3 seconds she may have.
Hers and my daughters wear Crimson Trace laser grips.
Put the red dot where you want the bullet to hit and squeeze the trigger.
Won't work across a canyon, but will work anywhere in the house and especially at night. And if that one doesn't do the job, she has 17 more rounds with just a squeeze of the trigger.
I have several wheel guns that are my favorites and I play with them most of the time, but my defense guns are Glocks, because of their ease of use and reliability. I could care less what they look like.
A tractor may not look as sexy or be as exciting as a Lamborghini, but sometimes a tractor is the perfect tool for the job.
This was not meant as a judgement of anyone else's opinions, just my thoughts on the subject of Glocks and my logic for my decisions

 

[Mitty38]

All of my guns are utilitarian. Most all my guns have either Ben built or had major repairs that were preformed by me. Shotguns and rifles are battle worn. So are my pistols. They match me.
I have only ever had one gun that was special. That was an LEO Beretta 92 FS. I had restored it to like new condition, then gave it to my brother for his birthday when it was finally perfect in every detail. He had wanted one for years.
I have a high point early metal frame Maverick C 9, love it for what it is.
I have never competed professionally, and I use not collect. I have never had the cash to get a 1911.At least one of the ones on my bucket list.
One revolver is a Taurus. The other a ragged out J frame SW that I repaired the Muzzle on, made a front sight for,I changed the cylinder on with a Numrich find, and reclocked myself.
So when I get this mish mash gun finished. I will enjoy it for what it is, something I put together myself. Just because I am probably too dumb to know any better.

 

[Ian]

Never said they weren't good, or that I didn't know how to use them, but the Glock grip angle is no good for a guy who's spent 30 years drawing and firing a 1911. As to fun, I'm not missing any. Fun at the range is had with a nice weapon, not a cheap tool that lives in the console with the sunglasses and Leatherman. I haven't shot my M&Ps in a few years, just no fun.

I have an opinion on leaded poly barrels and kabooms. It ain't the gun, it's the ammo. Most people who aren't prolific handloaders and ammunition scientists tend to look at the 9x19 and .40 S&W just like they do the .45 ACP....which is a dire mistake. The9 and 40 operate at twice the pressure of the. 45 and the brass is made accordingly tough and hard. You can stuff a .452" cast bullet into a .45 ACP case which has been prepared with standard reloading dies and it will all work fine. The same is not true of the other two. Factory expanding dies are made for jacketed bullets and neither expand the case mouth to sufficient diameter nor sufficient depth to avoid crushing the cast bullet to a diameter smaller than the poly rifling's corners when seated.

We all know what happens when our cast bullets are too small for the barrel.

Different tools and techniques as well as barrel throat work may be needed to make a poly Glock barrel run. I know the poly rifling itself isn't the problem for I have pushed jacketed load levels in my 5-groove poly .308 Winchester barrel.

 

[Mitty38]

Do not like the Glock grip one bit that is why I went with the P-80 frame. Was the first purposeful drift from the original Glock that I made.

Never had a 1911, but have had a lot of guns with a 1911 esc grip. Like the Star BM, or the SR9c . I love that angle and grip. The P 80 is right up there with that.

Fun at the range for me is with anything that shoots straight and goes bang Everytime. Even more fun when I know I made the gun work that well, or built, or at least assembled the gun from the ground up.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Adjusting to a change when shooting or handling a gun is nothing but learning the differences and becoming proficient in that gun.
Not that far from different sights. Adjusting from a reflex optic to a scope or open sites to a reflex. You learn to use what you have.
You double down and overcome the issue.

I have been loading for Glocks since there was glocks. I completely agree and as for the "problems" with lead in Glocks. Well Im of the mind thats its 100% operator error meaning uts a result if what that shooter does or more accurately dosent do. CLEAN THE BARREL! Much like shooting shorts in a LR chamber. Do ya know Fredom arms recomendes against shooting 45 Colt from the 454 Cylinder? They sell a 45 Colt chambered Cyl for those wanting to shoot 45 Colt. Clean that cyl and there will be zero issues. Many many more rounds would need be fired to erode and cause any discrepancy to that chamber.
We live is a liberal driven world where once the deepest pockets are responsible. Lawyers with this mentality are ruining this country but thats not a topic her here. Sufice it to say we all know there are repercussions for everything we do. Some folks are learning that the hard way. (Or never will learn it at all)

CW

 

[462]

I have no particular affection toward Glock, and other than it makes bigger holes than 9 mm, I have no particular affection toward the .40 S&W. Given my druthers I'd own neither a Glock nor any .40 S&W firearm. That reality trumps druthers, my carry pistol is a Glock 27.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Addressing the grip angle issue - What works for me may not work for you and the reverse is also true.

I have shot many different pistols over the years and the grip angle is just not that big of a deal to me. However, I do find the grip angle of pistols like the P-08 Luger and Glock to point far better for me. YMMV.
The one that gave me some trouble was the 1903 Colt. That one is even more verticle than a 1911. Again, not a deal breaker.
I had an original Remington Model 51 and that thing practically aimed itself. But the grip on that gun was near perfect. Same is true for me with a H&K P7.

Pointing your index finger is a pretty natural instinct. When you extend your hand and point your index finger at something, your finger will fall in line with your forearm and your other three fingers will form an angle very close to the angle of a Glock grip (or a Luger, Ruger MKII, High Standard .22 and several other pistols).
I actually don't think the 1911 grip angle is ideal but it's just not a big enough issue to care about. At least not for me.

I used to shoot with a guy that was scarry good with a pistol. He could point shoot lighting fast without using the sights and was dead on inside of about 15 yards. He said he learned that skill by shooting a Colt Woodsman in a dusty barnyard. He would empty a 50 round box of .22 LR into his pocket and shoot at the empty cardboard box on the ground without using the sights. He could see the bullet impacts in the dust and adjust his technique until he could hit the box on demand. He could do the same thing with a Glock 17 and 4" steel plates.

It's all in what you are familar with.

 

[Walks]

Adjusting to a change when shooting or handling a gun is nothing but learning the differences and becoming proficient in that gun.
Not that far from different sights. Adjusting from a reflex optic to a scope or open sites to a reflex. You learn to use what you have.
You double down and overcome the issue.

I have been loading for Glocks since there was glocks. I completely agree and as for the "problems" with lead in Glocks. Well Im of the mind thats its 100% operator error meaning uts a result if what that shooter does or more accurately dosent do. CLEAN THE BARREL! Much like shooting shorts in a LR chamber. Do ya know Fredom arms recomendes against shooting 45 Colt from the 454 Cylinder? They sell a 45 Colt chambered Cyl for those wanting to shoot 45 Colt. Clean that cyl and there will be zero issues. Many many more rounds would need be fired to erode and cause any discrepancy to that chamber.
We live is a liberal driven world where once the deepest pockets are responsible. Lawyers with this mentality are ruining this country but thats not a topic her here. Sufice it to say we all know there are repercussions for everything we do. Some folks are learning that the hard way. (Or never will learn it at all)

CW

Yep,
There were many rumors about not having to clean a Glock, especially the .40's. We all know that's horse feathers.
Clean guns, lightly oiled will Always function better.
Doesn't matter if you like a gun or not, if it works reliably then it's a good tool to have.

 

[CZ93X62]

The Glock question is a Ford/Chevy/Mopar argument that I won't engage in. We own several. The End.

Now, the 40 S&W.......(heresy alert).......is the best-balanced, most practical, and most effective defensive tool for both citizen and police defensive sidearm venues that has yet to be developed. It is well-nigh PERFECT. It projects sufficient power per shot to effect one-shot stops on assailants with good center-mass hits. It equals the 45 ACP in this respect. Most platfroms chambering this cartridge offer staggered magazines with 11-14 round capacities, depending upon model. Most people can manage its recoil and report with good initial training and periodic refresher shooting. The end results in trauma units and autopsy suites speak for themselves.

 

[Bret4207]

As far as the conversation on Glock grip angle vs 1911 goes, I'm firmly in the Browning Hi-Power group when it comes to bottom feeders! Just wanted to throw a wrench into the discussion!

 

[Brad]

Never shot a Glock. Never even handled one.

Will say that I have considered one just ‘cause? Won’t be a 40, likely a 9mm.

 

[RicinYakima]

Never shot a Glock. Never even handled one.

Will say that I have considered one just ‘cause? Won’t be a 40, likely a 9mm.

Me either, but would consider one of the long barreled adjustable sighted ones.

 

[Ian]

Never shot a Glock. Never even handled one.

Will say that I have considered one just ‘cause? Won’t be a 40, likely a 9mm.

You have a CZ-75, not much need for anything else in a 9mm. There IS one thing I really, really like about the Glock and that's how low they sit in the hand, thus reducing muzzle flip dramatically. One reason I don't own any XD pistols is they're so tall and tweak my wrists. But, unfortunately, even a G19 has a slide as wide as a d'Hanis brick.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Never shot a Glock. Never even handled one.

Will say that I have considered one just ‘cause? Won’t be a 40, likely a 9mm.

Glocks get a lot of hate and I think that is largely undeserved.

If you say anything positive about a Glock, you run the risk of being labeled a “Fanboy” or “Zealot”.

Glocks are utilitarian tools. They are not pretty (although there is beauty in functionality)

They do work and they work with amazing reliability. It is also fairly difficult to make one not work.

Glocks are not traditional but they’re not super weird either. They use a Browning short recoil tilting barrel system and a squared ejection port to lock the barrel & slide. That system is extremely common and well proven. They use a detachable, double column box magazine located in the grip – nothing new there. They have a passive firing pin safety released by movement of the trigger bar – We’ve seen that in countless other pistols.

Most of the design of a Glock is straight forward.

The CZ-75 is an outstanding pistol and one of my favorites. It has a steel frame with full length, internal slide rails. It has an excellent fire control system. IMO, it has one of the best grips of any high-capacity pistol. The CZ-75 has proven to be durable, reliable, and accurate.

However, by current standards, the CZ-75 is a bit heavy for its size. That beautiful steel frame will rust if you don’t take care of it.

I know a guy that carries a Glock when he’s canoeing on the river. He doesn’t worry about that pistol even a little bit. He has a collection of beautiful blued S&W revolvers that don’t get dunked in the sand, mud and water.

You are free to accept or reject whatever you want in life.
To have the opportunity to accept or reject concepts, you first must have an open mind.

So Brad, if you've never handled or shot a Glock - why not give it a try? If you don't like it, you are free to reject it.

 

[Hawk]

I like and carry the 40 S&W (mostly a model 27), but bought several Glocks in 9MM, because it's easier for the wife to shoot and I think everyone should own guns chambered for the current military round, in case the SHTF.
9MM would not be my first choice, but there's probably more 9MM ammo to be found than any other caliber.

 

[Hawk]

If you want to talk about slow zombies in a zombie apocalypse, a gun chambered in .22 long rifle would be perfect for head shots.
Hundreds of rounds could be carried in you pocket!
Haha!

 

[Petrol & Powder]

I like and carry the 40 S&W (mostly a model 27), but bought several Glocks in 9MM, because it's easier for the wife to shoot and I think everyone should own guns chambered for the current military round, in case the SHTF.
9MM would not be my first choice, but there's probably more 9MM ammo to be found than any other caliber.

I’ll avoid the cartridge war discussions because I think those wars are unwinnable and pointless.

I will say that it is a safe bet that the 9mm Luger (9 x 19 NATO) cartridge is the world’s most widely distributed handgun cartridge.

I will also say that a 124 grain .355” diameter JHP travelling at 1200 fps is far more formidable than many would lead you to believe. I’ll leave it at that.

I totally concur that having some guns chambered for popular and widely available cartridges is a good idea.

 

[JustJim]

I don't hate Glocks, but I'm not real fond of the fanbois. I've owned 7 or 8, and have >200k rounds through Glocks. I gave them a fair try, don't like them, and got rid of them. But God forbid I fail to praise a fanboi's latest acquisition!

Idiots literally dancing around babbling about "Glock perfection", telling me I don't know anything and better get a Glock because anything less "will get you killed on the street!". They're worse than the AR fanbois (who remind me of pre-teen girls gushing over the latest Tigerbeat magazine).

Funny story. Back in 2008 or so I was swapping out springs in a G17 at the range. Another shooter came up and asked me why, so I explained I found that it cut down on feeding problems if I replaced the springs every 5k rounds or so. While waving his Glock around, he shouted that I must be stupid, that he'd had his Glock for several years, it had never jammed and he knew it never would, because GLOCK PERFECTION! I asked him how many rounds he had fired through the gun? He replied "almost 2 boxes" and that he knew what he was talking about!

How can you take people like that seriously?