Remingtons 360 Buckhammer

CZ93X62

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I'm not familiar enough with Craig Boddington's work product to comment intelligently on its content.

2100 FPS imparted to a 200 grain 35 caliber bullet is decent performance, assuming it came out of a production rifle barrel and not fixture-fired in a ballistics lab. I suspect its pressure levewls exceed 30/30 and 35 Rem pressure gradients significantly.
 

Spindrift

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Anything that will stimulate sales (and hence production/ development) of .358 caliber bullets is good news, in my opinion.
It is a mystery to me, why the .358 calibers are not more popular. The current long-range hype is perhaps not helping matters.
 

Ben

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Yes, in the American shooters mind, the 358 CF rifles were short range " brush guns ".
Anyone who has owned a .35 Whelen knows that isn't correct. I think the cartridges that had flatter trajectories were superior killers in the American shooters mind, at longer distances. As a consequence, there were never large numbers of .35 cal. rifles sold. Gun companies looked at sales figures and dropped .35 cal. rifles from their production lines.
 
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hporter

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If CVA chambers it in their Scout line, I would be first in line to buy one - especially at their price point. I like rimmed cartridges and I like this format:

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I've got a lot of .357 molds to experiment with - and it would give my pistol primer stash a rest and reprieve. Don't need it for hunting - but it would be a lot of fun to play with. Mostly at sedate velocities with a big grin on my face.

Ben fills me with jealousy each time he post photographs of his Stainless Ruger #1 in 30/30. When I look at the prices they want for them, I rub my eyes and look again to see if they are made of solid gold. I might be able to afford one of these?
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
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100% on 350 Legend. I was quite bothered when I learned what they did & wished they where actually "caught" on it! Meaning the .355 BS!! Its a 9x45 glorified 9mm extended made ta ride on the 9mm 's popularity. Then the dumbasses found out .357 was a min and SKINNED BY because of a technicality of +-.002 in SAMKI drawings allowing .355 when rules specifically stated .357. I felt cheated/bullied and wanted states to disallow on the facts.

I wanted a 357 Maxi. The 35-30/30 has been on my mind for decades so has the 35-45/70.

Had the Herrett. Somehow it was Lacking to me.

That "+.002"" isn't even a real tolerance - it's a cheap and cheesy sleight-of-hand to contort a poor decision into a well-established and commonly known rule the ODNR and sportsmen/women went to a lot of trouble to put together for the benefit of Ohio sportsmen/women and conservation.

When Ohio said "no," Winchester changed the paper SPECIFICATION, but nothing real.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

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That "+.002"" isn't even a real tolerance - it's a cheap and cheesy sleight-of-hand to contort a poor decision into a well-established and commonly known rule the ODNR and sportsmen/women went to a lot of trouble to put together for the benefit of Ohio sportsmen/women and conservation.

When Ohio said "no," Winchester changed the paper SPECIFICATION, but nothing real.
At the time, that whole deal really soured the "legend" for me. It felt wrong underhanded.

It was only cast bullets that allowed me to justify it. Now, I appreciate it. I enjoy it. But felt really bad about it, and worse the more I learned of the underhanded ness that surrounded it.
All I could think of was ignorant "kids" pushing 9mm as if the 9mm was actually what they thought it was.

CW
 
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todd

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Its 100% a Straight wall Cartridge!!! Otherwise buy a 35 Remington!!!!!

Its nothing new preformance wise. Its made to a set of regs for STRAIGHT WALL STATES!!

100% on 350 Legend. I was quite bothered when I learned what they did & wished they where actually "caught" on it! Meaning the .355 BS!! Its a 9x45 glorified 9mm extended made ta ride on the 9mm 's popularity. Then the dumbasses found out .357 was a min and SKINNED BY because of a technicality of +-.002 in SAMKI drawings allowing .355 when rules specifically stated .357. I felt cheated/bullied and wanted states to disallow on the facts.

I wanted a 357 Maxi. The 35-30/30 has been on my mind for decades so has the 35-45/70.

Had the Herrett. Somehow it was Lacking to me.


i said i'm sorry ;). if you like it, buy it. it's just not fer me. don't feel bad tho, i just bought a 30 and 357 Herrett Contender 10" barrels. i'll soon be going down that path:headscratch:.


the 35/30-30 is a God send. i'll take that one out before my 9.3x57. the 200gr RCBS FNGC will go 1726fps (alliant 2400dacron) out of a 20" barrel and it smacks down deer dead.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Let's wildcat it !
We'll just neck it up to 40 cal slap some 165 gr HPs in it and some nice 410 gr subs with some nice 200 gr RNFP . It can just head space on the rim and we can call it a 10×45 super mag ..... Maybe a 40-30 Winjester.....
 

popper

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Gee, I have a 30/30 case somewhere, cut off the neck and installed a 40 cal bullet. Didn't ream the new neck so a slight bulge (and off center) but gee whizz, would be neat. 9mm was too small! But she says I don't need a new gun. Long Ranger is for non-rimmed cases. And I like mine!!
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
....if you like it, buy it...

I can see the 350L having an edge with the AR crowd, straight-wall state or not. I'm not an AR guy, but if I were, I'd like to have one in 357 Max. The 350L does do that, sorta.

I don't know if the 360BH has that edge with, say the lever-action crowd. But, if I were going to carry a lever-action capable of handling a full-length 30/30 or 35 Remington case, why would I carry the same gun with less capability, UNLESS I lived where I were limited to 1.8" long cases.

I just looked on Starline's site and 350L brass is about 25% cheaper than 357 Max brass, but you need 350L brass for a 350L. I can shoot regular 357s in my Max, or seat long bullets out in 357 Mag brass to provide the same case volume as the 357 Max. 357 Mag brass is HALF of what 357 Max brass is.

The more I think about this new cartridge, the less it appeals, given that I have 357 Mag and Max carbines already. I guess if it uses that extra powder space to practical advantages and the pressure is not elevated beyond the 30/30, I'd possibly see a use for it in the Contender, but, like I said, I already HAVE the Max and the ability to shoot MAGs in it if I want/need.
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
30 Rem, 30-30 ,40/10mm , 6.8 SPC ,22 NOS .
X39 , 35 Rem, 6.5 Car .

Both lines share head dia , the second share rim dia and close enough to the 38/357 .

9mm ,223 , 222 , 38/357 , and 9mm Win Mag share head dia or close enough .
9×40 or 223 basic with .357 dia .
9×39 is a thing and if it keeps the x39 taper it ain't got no neck much past just a line and it has more case volume than the 350L
I don't know what the Herritt length is but as I recall it's a Shortened 30-30 case necked up to 35 w/a shoulder. So a 9×39 with no shoulder is going to be really close to that .
In the Herritt/×39 theme we have the 22 Nos that is the 6.8 with a 223 rim so ya neck it up to 35 cal and viola' a straight case 9×47same as the above and it fits a 223 bolt . If it fits the 223 bolt there's no proprietary bolt face , mags are common , and while not common brass it's easy to get .
There's 20 ways to get/build a 35/38 cartridge and cheat to get the case capacity while staying under 1.8" and get it in a Stoner Armalite Rifle.
 
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Ian

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I got it. Let's neck the .360 Buckhammer down to .30-caliber with a long neck and gentle sloping shoulder, that should feed great in leverguns, increase the velocity, and flatten the trajectory. I bet it would kill more game, large and small, and more men, good and bad, than any other non-military cartridge has! Then someone else can "Ackley Improve" it with a 40 degree shoulder and straighten out the body taper some, and someone else still can come along and neck that version down to 7mm, and so on. Fodder for gun rag editors for decades to come!
 

358156 hp

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I got it. Let's neck the .360 Buckhammer down to .30-caliber with a long neck and gentle sloping shoulder, that should feed great in leverguns, increase the velocity, and flatten the trajectory. I bet it would kill more game, large and small, and more men, good and bad, than any other non-military cartridge has! Then someone else can "Ackley Improve" it with a 40 degree shoulder and straighten out the body taper some, and someone else still can come along and neck that version down to 7mm, and so on. Fodder for gun rag editors for decades to come!
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BBerguson

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I got it. Let's neck the .360 Buckhammer down to .30-caliber with a long neck and gentle sloping shoulder, that should feed great in leverguns, increase the velocity, and flatten the trajectory. I bet it would kill more game, large and small, and more men, good and bad, than any other non-military cartridge has! Then someone else can "Ackley Improve" it with a 40 degree shoulder and straighten out the body taper some, and someone else still can come along and neck that version down to 7mm, and so on. Fodder for gun rag editors for decades to come!
And call it the 300 Buckhammer!