Remingtons 360 Buckhammer

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I was ona. Chat last night and Tomme Broughtbup a caliber Remington just released. So brandy new I am seeking information.

Its a altered 30/30 case using a 358 bullet. So not a "ar" thing. But also likely not a bolt gun thing either... It aughta be good in a single shot and a Lever.

Saw that Ruger and Henry are making or going to be making rifles.

Anyone know or have link to more information?

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Ben

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Staff member
That one is a slightly modified version of the old .35-.30-30 ( one of the oldest wildcats out there ) . With today's appetite for new rifles of this old school mentality I'm wondering about sales figures. Of course, certain states make laws restricting the type of cartridge you can enter the deer woods with. Notice the case is 1.8" long. As set by the laws in certain states.

One good thing may come from this, 20-25 yrs. ago, .35 cal. rifles in America were becoming a custom proposition and skirted extinction. This along with the .35 Legend will help keep the .35 around a bit longer.

By the way, I like my .35 cal. rifles ! :)
 
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Intel6

Active Member
This is the first I have heard of it. Looking at the pic before reading I immediately knew it was another straight wall cartridge for the "straight wall" states like the .450 Bushmaster and the 350 Legend. I will be interested to see how it performs in a lever gun since they shortened it?
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
What does it do that the 35 Remington doesn't? That fine old cartridge is withering on the vine while they introduce another to do the same thing as it did.
Read the name Rick, it’s a Buckhammer! lol Much cooler name than 35 Remington! Joking aside, I hope it sells like hot cakes, it’s better for all of us.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
What does it do that the 35 Remington doesn't? That fine old cartridge is withering on the vine while they introduce another to do the same thing as it did.

It has no shoulder.

I can't speak for other states, but in Ohio, the "straightwall" cartridge in rifles is a boon. Many from other states criticize the law without understanding the need or the process of law-making, or working within the convoluted process of getting things done while allowing the more ignorant lawmakers to discretely extricate feet from mouths and heads from butts, while saving face. Politics. But, the line has to be drawn somewhere, somehow and the "straightwall" criterion is a clear and definitive demarcation to avoid confusion and those who always just have to push limits just to push limits.

I could get behind this one. I've been struggling with an infatuation with the idea of a 38-55 or a "375W-Lite" as a cast-only Contender Carbine chambering, although it's superfluous to my needs. I HAVE a 357 Max barrel, unfired since the 3 or 4 years ago when I bought it. I don't get time to hunt deer, so neither the 357 Max, nor the 38-55/375W-Lite actually do me any good. I derive an incredible amount of satisfaction shooting the 357 Mag barrel just for kicks/pest control, so I probably won't buy this one, but I'd love to see it succeed. Providing Remington doesn't pull another marketing blunder, and marketing is much like politics.

I love the 35 caliber, but MY question is - what does it do that the 357 Max does not?


I like the idea, but it's more distraction from the 357 Max, which means less demand for brass and the eventual, possible demise to a great cartridge which already does what the new one proposes to do. They'll likely jack the pressure up to make it a tad faster for bragging rights (marketing BS) for short-term gains in sales and then drop support of it after a bunch of people bought rifles, dies, etc.

EDIT: Although the name is,... OK, I won't even say that, but I WILL say that at least it's not prematurely bestowing it a "Legend" right out of the womb.
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
But it's only in modern firearms so they can max out the pressure that the 30-30 case can handle by running it in a rimmed case off the 6.8 SPC line with SRP brass and run it up to 55kpsi and the short case gets negated . Also it will probably come with a 180 gr copper wonder load .

FN just needs a different elevator stop in the Win 94 , Ruger already has that fix in for the 336 & 1895 .
Or they will just canlure the bullets for shallow seating, use a long throat keeping the 30-30/32 WS/38-55/375 OAL and not load anything under 170 gr cup&core or 160 gr copper .

Then hand loaders will get their mitts on it and it'll be full of 75,85,90 gr gopher slayers and 250 gr moose irritating overkill balisitic vest fitted whitetail destroyers .

Oooooowww ahhh it's a necked down 375/38-55 3/4 scale 45-70 fast flat super cartridge based on the nothing is new just a recycle made super with new powders and wonder slugs .
 

Spindrift

Well-Known Member
I like it!
OK, so it's not like it would offer anything new, ballistically.
But, it should be quite nicely balanced. A bit more powder capacity than the Maximum, a bit less than the .35/30.
I expect the major die-makers will offer reasonably prized dies for it. Since it is based on the 30/30 case, you'll have no trouble getting brass, even if the cartridge should flop.

I can see this cartridge working well in a break-action single shot.
 

Ben

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Staff member
Any one want to " speculate " on a muzzle velocity with a 180 gr. Jacketed out of a 20" barrel ? I'm thinking about 1,750 fps - 1,850 with a 180 gr. Jacketed.

If so, that would make for a pretty nice short range deer killer .

Ben
 
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popper

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Can also make a good snake rifle. Carry a couple rnds in the pocket when hunting for the pesky snake that comes to visit. Or a 'rat' that comes to visit your tree stand.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I bet 2K fps is possible with a 180-grain bullet and .35 Remington pressures. If it will do what the .35 Remington will do and be deer legal in more states then it's a win. Otherwise....another solution looking for a problem which will "split the vote" on the existing but waning .35 caliber rifle cartridges and then fade into obscurity like 95% of the "dash" cartridges from over a century ago.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
I like it!
OK, so it's not like it would offer anything new, ballistically.
But, it should be quite nicely balanced. A bit more powder capacity than the Maximum, a bit less than the .35/30.
I expect the major die-makers will offer reasonably prized dies for it. Since it is based on the 30/30 case, you'll have no trouble getting brass, even if the cartridge should flop.

I can see this cartridge working well in a break-action single shot.

Everything you mention in that post appeals and makes good sense.

Feeling a bit cynical about anything anyone does that makes sense these days, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. @RBHarter 's point about pressure is where they COULD mess this up. The comment "neither fast nor flashy" in the article is encouraging, but those are the words of the author, not Remington.

My preference would be to shoot this in a Contender, maybe a lever-action, but the 30/30-sized case head, combined with more pressure COULD put it over the top for the Contender. Never mind that some continue to get away with skating up to the edge of the thin ice regarding pressures in Contenders - I've never been struck by lightening, but I still recognize it as too a serious risk to dance in the rain with a piece of steel pipe in my hand.

But then, the Contender is no longer a (pun intended) contender in the market for new guns, unless Remington decides to buy the TC name and bring it back.

I'm going to stop here, after reading @Ian 's comment which just popped up, because he pretty much nailed what I was thinking when I started typing MY comment.
 

Ben

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Staff member
Will be interesting to see what types of pressures they use as a ceiling for this cartridge.

If this one will be used in the " older " lever action designs like the Marlin 336, they will have to be fairly conservative.

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Ben

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The 788 Rem, worked well in a bolt action with a rimmed 30-30 Win.
If they can figure a way to get this one working in a strong bolt action, this could get interesting.

Ben
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
YES its for those STRAIGHT WALL STATES.

Yes, basically an altered 35-30/30.

No, the 38/55 375 & 45/70 do not apply, because there cases are too long. Most states adopting the "straight wall" do so for limited power. (We can all argue there no so well thought thru intelligence) So they say under 2" case.

The 357 Max is great love mine and agree why not just re introduce it?
Well 30/30 brass is COMMON. But 357 MAX is only seasonably produced and rather costly.

Ballistics? Said to push a 200g bullet almost 2200 fps. Better then 35 Rem by a touch but bbl length not mentioned yet.

Whats it do that a 35 Rem cant. Well be LEGAL as a straight wall cartritage. The ONLY AND ENTIRE reason its made. Again we can argue the law makers intelligence or ignorance ad infinitum. (We are/ would be, preaching within our choir.)

Yes, its proper 35 cal not another stupid 9mm rifle. (No one made bullets for at the time, More ignorance)

It could be made ta work in a bolt? Sure but only Time will Tell. For now its targeted to lever actions.

I love 35's so I welcome it.

Craig Boddington has a article in Feb 2023 Guns and Ammo Mag.

CW
 
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Michael

Active Member. Uh/What
I do believe the article should read:

Remington reintroduces the classic 35-40 Maynard target and hunting round. Redesigned utilizing modern technologically, taking advantage of superior modern powder, primers, brass and bullets for use in 21st century rifles for today's sportsmen who demand the utmost in accuracy and termal performance on game.

35-40 Maynard (circa 1892)
Cartridge length: 2.57"
Case length: 2.10"
Rim diameter: 0.494"
Base diameter: 0.403"
Shoulder diameter: N/A

30-30 Win. (360 Buckhammer. circa 2023)
Cartridge length: 2..530"
Case length: 2.03"
Rim diameter: 0.502"
Base diameter: 0.422

Looks pretty darn close in my book.
 
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Tomme boy

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They shortened it because some states have a max case length so cart like the 444 marlin are out. Here in Iowa we have the straight wall case laws... "sort of". 35 Rem is allowed. They are also using energy as a guide. One was 4570 was not allowed in a rifle but was OK in a pistol. There are a few other weird stupid rules with the "straight wall" here.

I hope it succeeds. It will get us new bullets and maybe a new powder to use for other cartridges.