Will
Well-Known Member
That makes more since now. I wasn’t thinking about deformation from the feed ramp.
S&W 625 45acp load recommendations
- Thread starter Will
- Start date
My "standard" alloy is WW's + 2% tin. My 625-8 JM Special as well as my 625-6 (5" Model of 1989) will either shoot under 1" at 25 yards off a rest using the H&G #68 (Mihec correct copy) ahead of 4.0 grs. of Bullseye or equivalent. This bullet can also be safely driven to 1000 fps with 7.0 grs. of Unique for field use. It is very effective.
I have also shot the Keith 452424 (250 gr. SWC) with excellent results for field use.
These modern .45 ACP/.45 Auto Rim revolvers are superb performers, and THAT is a fact!
Dale53
I have also shot the Keith 452424 (250 gr. SWC) with excellent results for field use.
These modern .45 ACP/.45 Auto Rim revolvers are superb performers, and THAT is a fact!
Dale53
Last edited:
Will
Well-Known Member
Me too!! This one has been on my wish list for several years. A good deal popped up on GB so I jumped on it.My Recommendation would be to send me that baby!
I always wanted one!
Outpost75
Active Member
My experience with the shallow rifling in S&W M1917s and 1950 militaries is that soft alloy works OK as long as you keep loads down to .45 ACP wadcutter or .455 Webley velocities, about 3.5 to 4 grains of Bullseye. Shot many thousands of #452374 225-grain LRN bullets or #454190 255-grain with 4 grains of Bullseye cast from 50-50 plumber's lead and wheelweights with a pinch of bar solder to sweeten the pot.
Last edited:
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Walks and Ric-in-Yak read between the lines of what I wrote above deftly.
My sis-in-law's hubby has an unlatered Series 70 Gold Cup that is practically in like-new condition. If a pistol was going to choke on castings, that example would be IT. Pleasingly, it ran Lymans #452460 and #452374 without a bobble SEATED TO RECOMMENDED OALs with 5.5 grains of WW-231. It also handled a full box of the Ranger SXT 230 grain JHPs now clad in their WWB packaging without failures of any kind. THAT was a satisfying surprise. Series 70 45s in OEM condition can be "GI Ball Only" steak & lobster debutantes. Not his pistol.
As time goes on I will try some softer alloys through the 625. For now, I am loading what I have in stock--which is all in 92/6/2 for the bottom-feeders.
My sis-in-law's hubby has an unlatered Series 70 Gold Cup that is practically in like-new condition. If a pistol was going to choke on castings, that example would be IT. Pleasingly, it ran Lymans #452460 and #452374 without a bobble SEATED TO RECOMMENDED OALs with 5.5 grains of WW-231. It also handled a full box of the Ranger SXT 230 grain JHPs now clad in their WWB packaging without failures of any kind. THAT was a satisfying surprise. Series 70 45s in OEM condition can be "GI Ball Only" steak & lobster debutantes. Not his pistol.
As time goes on I will try some softer alloys through the 625. For now, I am loading what I have in stock--which is all in 92/6/2 for the bottom-feeders.
Last edited:
CZ,
We all have different experiences as to what works for each of Us and why.
My experience with Series 70 Gold Cup's is very different from yours.
My experience with "loading ramps" may parallel yours, but only with the HARDEST Bullets. Referring to 9mm pistols, the most jam-a-matics I have experienced are the Luger P-08 & S&W M39/M59. The M4006 follows close behind. Linotype is a MUST. Fortunately I no longer own any S&W autos.
The Lyman #356402 cast of straight Linotype slides up the P-08's ramp like, use your imagination.
In the .45ACP, a full power load behind the H&G 68 or good facsimile will feed in just about .45ACP chambered S-A. I even saw it work in 2 different Norinco 1911 rattlers, without a bobble.
The Magazine Writer Mike Venterino has taken a lot of flak over the years about advocating Linotype for Auto-Loading pistol cartridges.
His experiences have mirrored those of My Dad and Mine.
I've even been able to shoot stubby WC's in My old Glock 21. Using an Older Wolf bbl and an 11lb recoil spring from the Glockstore. Lyman #452488 192/3gr over 3.5grs Bullseye. Needed 18bhn or better to feed reliably.
For some reason it works better with the older Glock mags then the newer 10 rounder.
We all have different experiences as to what works for each of Us and why.
My experience with Series 70 Gold Cup's is very different from yours.
My experience with "loading ramps" may parallel yours, but only with the HARDEST Bullets. Referring to 9mm pistols, the most jam-a-matics I have experienced are the Luger P-08 & S&W M39/M59. The M4006 follows close behind. Linotype is a MUST. Fortunately I no longer own any S&W autos.
The Lyman #356402 cast of straight Linotype slides up the P-08's ramp like, use your imagination.
In the .45ACP, a full power load behind the H&G 68 or good facsimile will feed in just about .45ACP chambered S-A. I even saw it work in 2 different Norinco 1911 rattlers, without a bobble.
The Magazine Writer Mike Venterino has taken a lot of flak over the years about advocating Linotype for Auto-Loading pistol cartridges.
His experiences have mirrored those of My Dad and Mine.
I've even been able to shoot stubby WC's in My old Glock 21. Using an Older Wolf bbl and an 11lb recoil spring from the Glockstore. Lyman #452488 192/3gr over 3.5grs Bullseye. Needed 18bhn or better to feed reliably.
For some reason it works better with the older Glock mags then the newer 10 rounder.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
I do have a couple 1911A1-ish pistols laying around--Series 80 Colt Gold Cup and a Chi-Com/Norinco TT-30/33. This PC 625 really makes me smile, though. I can see why 45 ACP/AR revolvers were so popular for so long--given the balkiness some 45s had with cast bullets and their usual "Minute-of-#2-washtub" grouping ability.....a nice S&W or Colt wheelgun that stacked holes close together downrange would be a real upgrade. Uberti and Ruger S/A revolters in 45 ACP do good work as well. Like those obnoxious T-shirts say about the 45 ACP--"Old, Fat, And Slow Is Just Fine!"
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
I think I mentioned this in another thread.....but here goes anyway. Installing and removing 45 ACP ammo from clips is a Bessarabian clusterBLANK PITA of the highest order. 45 Auto Rim rules the roost in terms of ease, convenience, and utility. HKS speedloaders don't give up much to the clipped-in 45 ACPs, AFAIC.
Al;
I would like to respectfully disagree. Using a decent tool, it is no great trick to load and unload the full moon clips. Further, using a good tool, pretty much avoids bending the clips.
I DO agree, that trying to do this without a decent tool is beyond aggravating!
This is what I use:
www.dillonprecision.com
However, I prefer the Brownell tool for demooning. This is the simple "screwdriver type", but the above tool will actually do both re-moon and de-moon.
And don't forget, the polymer RIMZ full moon clips that allow you to load and unload easily without tools. The RIMZ clips are great for casual range use, but the steel full moon clips are more secure for "serious" use.
FWIW
Dale53
I would like to respectfully disagree. Using a decent tool, it is no great trick to load and unload the full moon clips. Further, using a good tool, pretty much avoids bending the clips.
I DO agree, that trying to do this without a decent tool is beyond aggravating!
This is what I use:
CCW Moon Clip Loading/ Unloading Tool, 45ACP (19489): Firearms Accessories: Magazines, Speedloaders & Moon Clips
CCW Moon Clip Loading/ Unloading Tool, 45ACP (19489): Firearms Accessories: Magazines, Speedloaders & Moon Clips
However, I prefer the Brownell tool for demooning. This is the simple "screwdriver type", but the above tool will actually do both re-moon and de-moon.
And don't forget, the polymer RIMZ full moon clips that allow you to load and unload easily without tools. The RIMZ clips are great for casual range use, but the steel full moon clips are more secure for "serious" use.
FWIW
Dale53
RBHarter
West Central AR
A very simple "high capacity" demooner . I got a used golf club for free with a steel shaft cut it off with a common tubing cutter at a step that would accommodate the 45 case . Then cut a step with a fine file leaving about a 45-60° tab about .1 tall . This one holds 10 loaded or 12 fired cases easily .
To loading I've found that my index finger tip fits the center hole and thumb pressure combined with a rolling motion allows the cartridge to slip in easier than pushing straight in . Also after 4-5 cycles the burrs and stuff fill and smooth making loading much much easier . My roller hand (right side) has a thumb/wrist/radius joint full of arthritis that is linked to multiple mid forearm green sticks and an elbow full of arthritis from having crushed the radius tip without any breaks in the hand or wrist . So to do load the clips easy and pain free is of some value to me as some days it's difficult to start the cars .
To loading I've found that my index finger tip fits the center hole and thumb pressure combined with a rolling motion allows the cartridge to slip in easier than pushing straight in . Also after 4-5 cycles the burrs and stuff fill and smooth making loading much much easier . My roller hand (right side) has a thumb/wrist/radius joint full of arthritis that is linked to multiple mid forearm green sticks and an elbow full of arthritis from having crushed the radius tip without any breaks in the hand or wrist . So to do load the clips easy and pain free is of some value to me as some days it's difficult to start the cars .
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
That Dillon Precision tool looks like a good unit.
My sitch is complicated by Depuytren's Contracture, a hand ailment that limits dexterity and finger strength to some extent. This condition plays hell with a few shooting and reloading processes, most of which I have figured out "work-arounds" to address. Moon clips have largely resisted domestication, though. Thanks to Dale for the "heads up" on this Dillon gadget. It will 'expand my horizons' with the 625 markedly.
My sitch is complicated by Depuytren's Contracture, a hand ailment that limits dexterity and finger strength to some extent. This condition plays hell with a few shooting and reloading processes, most of which I have figured out "work-arounds" to address. Moon clips have largely resisted domestication, though. Thanks to Dale for the "heads up" on this Dillon gadget. It will 'expand my horizons' with the 625 markedly.
Will
Well-Known Member
One of the demooners is hard to beat https://www.speedbeez.com/product/speed-beez-moon-clip-de-mooner-tool-45acp/
They also give you a free plastic one that works good with every 10 moon clips you purchase.
They also give you a free plastic one that works good with every 10 moon clips you purchase.