Smith 686
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Pistolero
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Good job. And DA, too. Learning good DA shooting is a very useful skill.
I always teach it when instructing on revolvers. So many just don't do it, and
when they try, surprise, they aren't too good. Like all skills, it takes proper
technique and some practice.
Well done. And 686s are good guns, no doubt.
Now - did he make that ammo?
Bill
I always teach it when instructing on revolvers. So many just don't do it, and
when they try, surprise, they aren't too good. Like all skills, it takes proper
technique and some practice.
Well done. And 686s are good guns, no doubt.
Now - did he make that ammo?
Bill
Kevin Stenberg
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Trevor is just keeping the dust off of the firearms Ben is neglecting.
Thanks Bill ! ! !
50 round box that he shot today out of the Smith 686.
Trevor loaded every round in that box.
I sat and watched him ( very close ).
No runs, no drips, no errors, no one left on base.
Ben
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He will, I am betting, be proud of the results.
Bill
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Yes , certainly.
Something about new things that YOU do by yourself successfully when you are a 10 yr. old. I think all of this is good for the maturing process. I think that when a young person can tackle new things that are all new to them, learn the " ins and outs " of the process and become successful, that it fuels their desire to take on other challenges down the road. A real confidence builder for Trevor right now. He is really enjoying all of this.
He asked for a good reloading book.
I gave him " A B C's of Reloading ".
He said that he read the first 15 pages his 1st night the he had the book.
I think we are making progress.............
Thanks,
Ben
Bill
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Yes , certainly.
Something about new things that YOU do by yourself successfully when you are a 10 yr. old. I think all of this is good for the maturing process. I think that when a young person can tackle new things that are all new to them, learn the " ins and outs " of the process and become successful, that it fuels their desire to take on other challenges down the road. A real confidence builder for Trevor right now. He is really enjoying all of this.
He asked for a good reloading book.
I gave him " A B C's of Reloading ".
He said that he read the first 15 pages his 1st night the he had the book.
I think we are making progress.............
Thanks,
Ben
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NOTICE THAT FINGER POINTING STRAIGHT DOWN THE SIDE OF THE FRAME. ( NOT INSIDE OF THE TRIGGER GUARD ) ONCE THE HANDGUN IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE TARGET AND HE IS READY TO FIRE , THEN AND ONLY THEN IS THE FINGER MOVED INSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD.
STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR TREVOR.
STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR TREVOR.
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Hawk
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Half of the solution of being smart is learning how to learn.
Teaching him how to process and analyze problems, then come up with answers will benefit him his whole life.
I don't know how many friends I have that have a tremendous amount of "book learning", but can't figure out simple off book problems and find solutions. If they haven't read in a book, their lost.
To my, reloading teaches you how to analyze, extrapolate and figure out answers.
I guess that's what is called common sense versus book smart.
Teaching him how to process and analyze problems, then come up with answers will benefit him his whole life.
I don't know how many friends I have that have a tremendous amount of "book learning", but can't figure out simple off book problems and find solutions. If they haven't read in a book, their lost.
To my, reloading teaches you how to analyze, extrapolate and figure out answers.
I guess that's what is called common sense versus book smart.
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Pistolero
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That finger straight stuff came out of practical pistol competition. In the 80s, the SEALs regularly trained
at Chapman Academy, and I had a few friends who were instructors there. The SEALs learned to be better
shots and to be safer from practical pistol competition developed methods. I remember talking to a friend
(one of Chapman's instructors at that time) about how good the SEALS and other Spec Ops folks really were
with handguns. At that time he said, "Good solid B shooters". I grinned because I had been an "A" shooter
for years at that point. But - after a while, the better techniques were really taken to heart in the Spec Ops
community and they really, really upped their game both handguns and close quarters use of rifles.
From talking to one relative who is a Spec Ops guy, they are still using some of our old standard drills
as qualification standards, like El Presidente and more. And they are better today on the average
than they were in the 80s, more skilled shooters.
Now that finger straight thing is pretty much the standard of training in most firearms classes and it is
a big improvement. Look at EVERY military photo prior to about 25-30 years ago and ALL of them will
have their finger on the trigger whenever they have a gun in their hands. Any person, any gun.
Not today. All the military photos show much safer and better trained gun handling, trigger fingers straight.
Go, Trevor. Getting it right from the start is the best thing. And a 'well done' for Ben.
Bill
at Chapman Academy, and I had a few friends who were instructors there. The SEALs learned to be better
shots and to be safer from practical pistol competition developed methods. I remember talking to a friend
(one of Chapman's instructors at that time) about how good the SEALS and other Spec Ops folks really were
with handguns. At that time he said, "Good solid B shooters". I grinned because I had been an "A" shooter
for years at that point. But - after a while, the better techniques were really taken to heart in the Spec Ops
community and they really, really upped their game both handguns and close quarters use of rifles.
From talking to one relative who is a Spec Ops guy, they are still using some of our old standard drills
as qualification standards, like El Presidente and more. And they are better today on the average
than they were in the 80s, more skilled shooters.
Now that finger straight thing is pretty much the standard of training in most firearms classes and it is
a big improvement. Look at EVERY military photo prior to about 25-30 years ago and ALL of them will
have their finger on the trigger whenever they have a gun in their hands. Any person, any gun.
Not today. All the military photos show much safer and better trained gun handling, trigger fingers straight.
Go, Trevor. Getting it right from the start is the best thing. And a 'well done' for Ben.
Bill
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462
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In basic training, in '67, we were taught to keep our finger along the side of our M-16s (not M-16A1s) receiver. Don't know when the practice was put into use, though.
The current pistol training method is to place the trigger finger as high on the slide (toward the ejection port for righties) as the finger will reach.
The current pistol training method is to place the trigger finger as high on the slide (toward the ejection port for righties) as the finger will reach.
Pistolero
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462, good training, but apparently didn't go very far or deep. All VN pix that I have seen
show proud soldiers with fingers on the trigger, like Korea and WW2.
I am sure some trainers had figured this out earlier, but in IPSC starting mid 70s you were
risking DQ if you were on the trigger during movement or during a reload. The standard Range
Officer call was a LOUD "FINGER" if it was not certain but looked like it, and the second time, or
if it was really blatant.....they were DQd as soon as they had unloaded and shown an
empty chamber, and reholstered.
That will impress it on you, for sure.
It is very good to see the upgrade in military firearms training that has happened in the
last 30-40 years. It was good before, but even better now.
And IME, the level of training in safety for civilians is a good bit higher, too. Guys like
Ben passing it along early are important. I have taught a number of kids and they all
learned this way, too. More grand nieces and nephews coming up, and I hope to teach
them. Started one, he is up to .22 rifles and pistols, and a younger one started
with the air rifle in March. Will see if I can work with them in a couple of weeks
again.
show proud soldiers with fingers on the trigger, like Korea and WW2.
I am sure some trainers had figured this out earlier, but in IPSC starting mid 70s you were
risking DQ if you were on the trigger during movement or during a reload. The standard Range
Officer call was a LOUD "FINGER" if it was not certain but looked like it, and the second time, or
if it was really blatant.....they were DQd as soon as they had unloaded and shown an
empty chamber, and reholstered.
That will impress it on you, for sure.
It is very good to see the upgrade in military firearms training that has happened in the
last 30-40 years. It was good before, but even better now.
And IME, the level of training in safety for civilians is a good bit higher, too. Guys like
Ben passing it along early are important. I have taught a number of kids and they all
learned this way, too. More grand nieces and nephews coming up, and I hope to teach
them. Started one, he is up to .22 rifles and pistols, and a younger one started
with the air rifle in March. Will see if I can work with them in a couple of weeks
again.
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