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RBHarter

West Central AR
At some point in my very young youth we spent a lot of time on old ranches in remote places and later not so remote but with lots of cool old tools intended to be driven from either gang drives or directly from the "Jonny popper" fly wheel drive or something similar . Death traps by even 60-70s standards. Some of the "nonstandard" tools were pretty terrifying and genius at the same time . Hay stacker winches come immediately to mind . A little B&S 2 hp motor though a truck axle with a brake on one side . Hook a bale pull the brake and the guy 12' up catches the bale unhooks it and drops the hook which is heavy enough to drag the axle backwards before they hook the 120-135# bale of hay to it .
 

fiver

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they come from the left because that's how the foot treadle wood turning machines were setup.
the workers tools cut on the 'down stroke' and he could see the blade.
they relaxed the tool for the return spin then leaned in again spinning the work and cutting again.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
that's as far back as my memory goes.. LOL
but it has to do with the leaning on the treadle while cutting, balance, and visibility.
 

Ian

Notorious member
So why were foot treadle machines set up that way?

So the chuck didn't come unscrewed under power? I dunno, you're not going to be cutting threads on a wood lathe so it really doesn't matter which end the driving spindle is on. Put it on the right and make left hand chuck threads. I think it's one of those things that developed without anyone thinking much about it except right-handed people want to stand in a certain place and use their hands just so. If the headstock were on the right, the apron controls would only be convenient to use with the left hand.
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
As mentioned last night, a picture of my wife's far from traditional pumpkin pie.
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As lover of pumpkin pie, (okay, ALMOST any pie!), and someone luke warm at best on chocolate, may I just say, "No!"
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I managed to avoid Horror Fright today, even on-line. So much stuff I need but don't really need don't have room to put. However, I did manage to spend $400 on stuff from Jeff's Dollarama to fill a few of the worst gaps in my machine shop tooling inventory. I put the BS-0 dividing head kit in my cart and took it back out a few times, it was $50 off but one of those things that needs another several hundred dollars worth of tooling to be very useful, it can wait. Settled for a nice AXA tool holder set for the new lathe and jumped into the carbide lathe tooling game in earnest. I also picked up a few other handy-dandy odds and ends that just get absorbed into the conglomerate and makes you wonder where all your money went until you have to find room for another tool box to put it all.
Been looking at an AXA set up for the Logan. I think it's gone up $3.00 since I tagged it on Ebay. One of these days!
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I have a machine question that's been burning in my mind off and on for several years now. Haven't asked because I figured the reason would become obvious as I gained experience with lathe work, however the reason has NOT become any more obvious with time and I can find no explanation for why lathe headstocks are always on the LEFT. This just seems fundamentally stupid to me, particularly for a screw machine.

Let me explain. For anyone who has ever single-pointed right hand threads on a manual lathe, you know what I'm talking about. Sure, a fellow can rig his cutting tool upside down and on the back and thread away from the chuck, but it's a workaround, is tough on gibs and dovetail ways, not very rigid, and you can't see the tool bit very well. For a world revolving primarily around right hand threads, why isn't the headstock on the RIGHT, where the operator can position the tool into a very minimal relief groove (or nearly against a shoulder feature), engage the half nuts, and have a sip of coffee while watching the tool go safely away from the work features and lathe chuck?
Tradition. I watched a YT video on old lathes, I mean wooden geared stuff from the 1700's and such. Most headstocks to the left. I think it was just tradition. And I have read time after time that the headstock is always going to be more rigid than the tailstock. So, if that was the traditional thinking, then it makes sense.
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
We had T-day yesterday. Dinner was planned for 3PM. The turkey wasn't done till 6PM!!! Not our greatest meal, but it was nice getting together.

Wife wants a Christmas tree, oldest girl wants me to drive her 100 miles to Holland Patent NY near Utica NY in the truck to get a "really great deal on a beautiful dresser" and I have 8 gazillion things to do. At lest we have left over turkey, a lot of it since it was a 26 lbs bird!, to look forward to!
 

Cadillac Jeff

Well-Known Member
I get to be best man in my buddy's wedding today, 70 years young!

Man l sure hope Mrs G don't burst into flames when we walk in the church. :rofl:

Jeff
 
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Got another request for the non-traditional pumpkin recipe.

So, for others who may be interested in it, here it is. Of the three pictures pie, it's the one on the right. Enjoy!
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Snakeoil

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I've been thinking about the right/left headstock question since reading the post last night. From a modern machinery perspective, given that there are a lot more set-up options than a chuck, I can see that pressure would want to be into the holding device on the spindle and not away from it. But that could be accomplished with either a right or left headstock.

When you add cutting threads to the capabilities, it does make sense that since RH threads would be the most common, you would want the toolbit on the operator side of the machine. Yes, you could turn it upside down and cut on the operator side with a LH headstock and the machine turning CCW. But the cutting edge would be hidden from view. Remember, early machines were not production oriented. A minor contributor to it is that centering a tool on a piece is easier with the tool bit cutting edge facing up.

Now if we go way back, to some of the earliest lathes, which I would have to believe were for turning wood, your wood is driving by a driving center that bites into the wood. Therefore, you would want the force of the cutting tool pushing the workpiece into that driving center, not away from it. Yes, there is a tail stock. but if you push hard towards the tailstock the center will simply sink into the wood and the workpiece will loosen.

So, all that said, you could still acomplish the force going into the driving center on a LH headstock machine. But since the majority of people are right-handed, it would be extremely awkward to have full control of a head held tool on a rest using your left arm to feed the tool towards the headstock. So, I also tend to think it is a combination of the way the machine should be operated and the majority of folks being right-handed.

So, what's next, chicken or egg?
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
PEANUT BUTTER!!! Just say ”NO”
That's funny. Peanut butter is sometimes good and other times bad as an ingredient. I remember a peanut butter pie my wife would get in a local restaurant that was better than sex. I never would order it because it did not appeal to me. But then she'd give me a bite and I'd want to finish the whole thing. Reese peanut butter cups are another weakness. I won't buy them because I'll eat them all. I hated the day after Halloween in the office because all the secretaries would bring in the leftover candy so they would not eat it at home. If one of them brought in Reeses, I'd wear the carpet out going back and forth. I'd make excuses to go by her desk. The only restraint I could muster up was not wanting everyone in the office to think I was a pig. And I was a pig. I just did not want them to know.

I tend to be a purist, but I will make exceptions. I like ice without stuff in it. I've had some with stuff in it that was good but would never order it. My wife would always insist I take a lick. But I also love pralines and cream ice cream which has caramel and crunchy pralines in vanilla ice cream. The stuff is great! Another is chocolate chip. Not sure why my "no stuff" rule does not apply to these two, but I tend to not analyze things that I like and take them at face value.

How about BBQ sauce on smoked pork. It's okay on ribs if it is the right sauce and used with restraint. But when they slather it on, it overpowers the flavor of the meat. And the flavor of the smoked pork and whatever rub was used is the whole reason for getting it. Which reminds me, I need to smoke a port butt one of these days.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I ordered this "axe" off ebay after seeing a buddies a d talking with him about it. I was gonna buy direct but actually hot cheaper on Ebay as they had a "offer" button.

Any way Im a suker for "blades" and Axes. This one caught my eye as it has quite a "beard" :p


I started right off tinkering. The edge was pretty good but had burrs. I was very pleased to see just how keen a edge it took! Well with my peepers on I found some spots I didnt like but they would not come off. What ever finish was on it, it was not pleasing. Handle was roughly varnished and looked like it might be actually pretty. No matter my attempt with chemicals, it wouldnt come off. I found a old worn flap wheel and it got the stuff off. Any one who welds has seen it. It is like a paint or grease it almost needs melted off the steel. But The steel was left highly polished and gleaming brite. But not completely across the surface. I got the idea to leave it as is and blue it. Bluing I had would not take. 44/40 and Brownels Cream. Then I tried Plumb Brown. But all it would do was leave a "peach hugh".

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Any idea why? Its supposed to me 1095 steel. I tried heating first too but no luck. But the effect is actually pleasing.

For now Ill leave it as is. For now. But the wood is a bit blocky and as I said appears to have nice figure hidden under sloppy sealer.

WELL NOW!!

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It is pretty wood!!! Last night I started sanding intending on re shaping it slightly. Not not knowing what it is. (Now, I learned its Rose wood) I decided not to vastly re shape anything. Just round some of the unfinished blockiness. I have it all finished down to three wet cloths and 000 wool.

I have two coats of finish (boiled linseed) so far. Unsure how many It will get they are going on thin.

Im working on another quick video to show the finished product. But its really looking fine!!

CW
 
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KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
The best eggrolls I ever ate were at a place here in town called Shing Lee's (owner's retired a few years ago, sigh). When I asked the owner his secret he said he put peanut butter in his eggrolls. A real flavor enhancer.
 

popper

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MIL always did green beans that were fantastic. Daughter was helping wife fix them - add some brown sugar. Real story comes out. MIL was fixing some, daughter told to add brown sugar. OK. Asked to get some salt. OK but turns around and sees MIL DUMPING brown sugar in the cooking beans. Mary had a lot of cooking secrets.