Super Hard Bullet Recipe
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CWLONGSHOT
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I always enjoyed bring up the actual recoil facts when talking such Josh.
The 12ga is something ALL OF US probably own and few would complain of a falls walk for phesants or grouse with a half dozen shots.
But when that same feller belly aches for shooting say a 30/06... I just giggle and know he just dont see his own hypocrisy.
The 12ga is something ALL OF US probably own and few would complain of a falls walk for phesants or grouse with a half dozen shots.
But when that same feller belly aches for shooting say a 30/06... I just giggle and know he just dont see his own hypocrisy.
Yes I have a .357 and .44 mag revolvers, just picked up a Henry X mod .357. I've been reloading rifle and pistols for 12yrs for hunting etc., have a few friends that have casted in the past, mainly low velocity. I have always been interested in casting bullets just never took the time to learn, hopefully now with everything going on with the shortages of reloading stuff this is the push to get there. Again thanks for all the advise, I will start with low velocity rounds then work up from there.
Rick H
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I routinely hunt with a 45/70 300gr. jacketed at 1880fps out of a Marlin Guide Gun, have a cast load 385 gr. (Mountain Mold) that leaves at 1800. Both are a bit uncomfortable for long sessions on the bench but not unreasonable. The 350gr Hornady FP at a bit shy of 2200 is just brutal. All of them will do better than 2 1/2" at 100 yds (the 300gr jkt much better)
To tell the truth the 300 gr load does all that I need. The only reason I push them that fast is to flatten the trajectory and give me a 150yd point blank range for game the size of deer.
The two most uncomfortable guns I ever shot were a 378 Weatherby (ill fitting right handed stock and I'm a southpaw) and my 12 ga. Mossberg with 1 3/4, 1 7/8, and 2 oz. 3" magnum turkey loads. Both from the bench. I think I would rather have George Foreman in his prime hit me than have to pattern test that damned shotgun again.
To tell the truth the 300 gr load does all that I need. The only reason I push them that fast is to flatten the trajectory and give me a 150yd point blank range for game the size of deer.
The two most uncomfortable guns I ever shot were a 378 Weatherby (ill fitting right handed stock and I'm a southpaw) and my 12 ga. Mossberg with 1 3/4, 1 7/8, and 2 oz. 3" magnum turkey loads. Both from the bench. I think I would rather have George Foreman in his prime hit me than have to pattern test that damned shotgun again.
RBHarter
West Central AR
I've shot a lot of 06' in 2700 fps 150s and 2500 fps 180s in a Savage 110 .
Cases of 1-1/16 to 1-1/4 oz 12 ga in 13-1500 fps 26" BPS .
Neither were even close to the "enthusiasm" of a 255 at 2000 fps in an 1895G or a 350 at 1900 in a 95' Mauser from a rimless 460 S&W . Experiments I have no need to revisit .
I plugged in a 45-500 RCBS at 1100 MV reasonable 200 yd loft , plenty of whatever measure of target disruption you'd like left out past 350 yd .
Cases of 1-1/16 to 1-1/4 oz 12 ga in 13-1500 fps 26" BPS .
Neither were even close to the "enthusiasm" of a 255 at 2000 fps in an 1895G or a 350 at 1900 in a 95' Mauser from a rimless 460 S&W . Experiments I have no need to revisit .
I plugged in a 45-500 RCBS at 1100 MV reasonable 200 yd loft , plenty of whatever measure of target disruption you'd like left out past 350 yd .
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Stock design, overall gun weight and how you hold the gun make a buncha difference in felt recoil. A 25 lbs bag of shot between you and the butt will make most guns into kittens. There do seem to be a few oddballs that just kick the living snot out of any poor soul foolish enough to play with them. Those H+R 10ga single shots have a particularly nasty rep in my area. 7 lbs and 10ga probably don't belong in the same sentence together...
462
California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
I should qualify my previous 1625 fps load post: The rifle is a Pedersoli/Navy Arms carbine-style brass-butted rolling block weighing 11-plus pounds, and shooting was from a bench. Still and all, not enjoyable beyond a very few rounds. Now, the 1200-plus fps load is a fun and all-day shooter that kills charging paper targets with great authority and is my most hoot to shoot rifle and load.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
The 45/70 did and does a fine job of tipping over bison, cavalry mounts, bears, deer, and 2-legged predators very decisively with a cast 405 grain bullet at 1300 FPS. Such loads are about all I shoot in 45/70 any more. The 45/70 is one heck of a cartridge, by any measure.
Mitty38
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IMHO 357 -38 special rifles and pistols are a great way to get your feet wet.. Either "H- Universal or Unique" powder is a good powder to start pushing cast thru those with. Very forgiving combination. broad range. That is where I cut my teeth on reloading, in casting, lubing and PC.
IMO Lee .358-158 grain RFN is the best mould to start with.
Alox, or BLL(Ben can tell you how to make that, pretty easy and inexpensive), is the best method of bullet lube to start, at least till you get the other stuff figured out. Basically put bullets and a small amount of lube in a container and roll it around a bit then lay them out and let them dry.
PS. Trying to keep it simple and universal for the guy. At least to start with.
Some one check me if I am gettin' out of line.
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L Ross
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Ah but, think of how we can get away with yanking the trigger on a heavy waterfowl load and not know it, but try to shoot an off hand group at 50 yards with 12 ga. slugs and see if you notice the recoil.I always enjoyed bring up the actual recoil facts when talking such Josh.
The 12ga is something ALL OF US probably own and few would complain of a falls walk for phesants or grouse with a half dozen shots.
But when that same feller belly aches for shooting say a 30/06... I just giggle and know he just dont see his own hypocrisy.
Bliksem
Active Member
stlg, Howdy from deep south Texas.
Hopefully you will stick around and learn from the experience of the members here. I once was where you find yourself at in respect to wanting to learn to create cast bullet cartridges that did what you set out to do. I'm still learning...
Rambling mind warning.
Unfortunately the journey from wanting to do this to accomplishing the goal is not short or easy. As I explain to people simple does not mean easy, it just means you have mastered the art and it appears to be easy.
However, the satisfaction of accomplishing what you set out to do is priceless so don't give up.
Some comments on a few things I have learned.
Hardness of alloy is not the secret to success, barrel condition, twist rate, cartridge concentricity and acceleration of bullet are some of the things that are more important than realized at first glance. There is no paint-by-numbers recipe or shortcuts on how to get to the Nirvana of cast shooting. Pun intended, the Art and Science of the cast bullet cartridge is just that.
After more than 3 decades of shooting cast reloads I am just learning how to achieve a level of accuracy that I am mostly satisfied with. I'm an ethical hunter in that I only shoot what I will eat and won't take a shot that is not optimal of accomplishing the task of a clean kill. It took me quite a long time before I was confident enough to use cast reloads for hunting so I used factory bullets for those reloads.
Fast forward to the current time and I have a number of rifles with cast cartridges that I am confident to take on any hunting trip.
The reason I use and create cast reloads is not because of component or ammunition shortages, I do this because I love the challenge and satisfaction of accomplishment.
In a nutshell, there is no shortcut or Cliff's Notes that shares the neccessary information or creates the conditions for instant gratification. It takes work and dedication.
Stick around, it's a fun hobby.
Hopefully you will stick around and learn from the experience of the members here. I once was where you find yourself at in respect to wanting to learn to create cast bullet cartridges that did what you set out to do. I'm still learning...
Rambling mind warning.
Unfortunately the journey from wanting to do this to accomplishing the goal is not short or easy. As I explain to people simple does not mean easy, it just means you have mastered the art and it appears to be easy.
However, the satisfaction of accomplishing what you set out to do is priceless so don't give up.
Some comments on a few things I have learned.
Hardness of alloy is not the secret to success, barrel condition, twist rate, cartridge concentricity and acceleration of bullet are some of the things that are more important than realized at first glance. There is no paint-by-numbers recipe or shortcuts on how to get to the Nirvana of cast shooting. Pun intended, the Art and Science of the cast bullet cartridge is just that.
After more than 3 decades of shooting cast reloads I am just learning how to achieve a level of accuracy that I am mostly satisfied with. I'm an ethical hunter in that I only shoot what I will eat and won't take a shot that is not optimal of accomplishing the task of a clean kill. It took me quite a long time before I was confident enough to use cast reloads for hunting so I used factory bullets for those reloads.
Fast forward to the current time and I have a number of rifles with cast cartridges that I am confident to take on any hunting trip.
The reason I use and create cast reloads is not because of component or ammunition shortages, I do this because I love the challenge and satisfaction of accomplishment.
In a nutshell, there is no shortcut or Cliff's Notes that shares the neccessary information or creates the conditions for instant gratification. It takes work and dedication.
Stick around, it's a fun hobby.
fiver
Well-Known Member
pretty much sums up how I approach everything.
CWLONGSHOT
Well-Known Member
Well... I have yet to meet someone who proclaims to "like" doing things they dislike... 
Thanks for the information. I don't have either of those powders, I'll have to check what powder to use that I currently have when I get ready to load.
Yes sir I plan on sticking around, I like the challenge as well.
Mitty38
Well-Known Member
Just stay away from the"Magnum" powders to start with. Like H110.
Hp38 is also a good powder to start with. List out some of your pistol powders, I am sure you will get some feed back.
In fact some Chermongions here might come back be writing full page articles complete with links and a reference list, on which of your powders they like best for cast. LOL