Those that know 45-70 ....

[RBHarter]

I'm currently torn by 3 moulds .
Lee 457-450F 2C , I have a single 457-340 on hand and there's too much of the 405 in the case .
458193 is the desired mould but it appears to only be available in a single .
The NOE SC460-425 of course meets all of my wants but it has the crimp groove above the top lube groove and of course is 20 gr heavy but there is a 2+2 w/w/o GC RG available with 12 pins so the 20 gr is moot if it will shoot like the salvage bucket 457193s do .

So any input to swing the vote is appreciated .

 

[Brad]

None of the above?

I would go with one of the following. Either one will do all a 45-70 can do. From mild to wild, these will handle it.

Given a choice I would go with the Accurate mold, better construction in my opinion. I really like Tom's brass moulds. Well, Tom's molds I should say.

 

[waco]

Plus 1 one this Accurate mold!^^^^^

 

[Ben]

46 405V would be at the top of my list.

Ben

 

[Ian]

If you want HP, get the long blocks and Erik might be able to HP an Accurate Mold (mould) for you inset-bar style.

 

[fiver]

that negative tolerance above the crimp groove is what makes this mold a winner.
the 45-70 is the original 'new style' no throat having chambering.
if you get a win or browning or miroku made 86 type rifle you'll find they have been cut to strict tight saami throat tolerances.

I'd opt for a G/C non G/C version

 

[RBHarter]

Working in a Remlin 1895G 2011 vintage . Everything so far falls into the if it feeds it fits class even with paper and the 458-340F long . It has a proper leade and throat .

It's looking like the NOEs are winning out .

 

[Brad]

Either of those bullets I showed should work well in a Marlin. I use a very similar bullet in mine.
Load them with 24 gr of 2400 for every day shooting or deer to realistic ranges.
I used mine, a plain base, with a heavier charge of 322 to good effect on a couple black bears now working as rugs.
Just my opinion but a gas check is not often really needed on a 45-70 bullet. Most of us don't need a 400 gr bullet at 2000 fps. More important, most of us don't ever want to shoot them. It gets ones attention right quick. Been there, done that. Not any more.

 

[Ben]

More important, most of us don't ever want to shoot them at 2,000 fps .

Count me in that " corner " , please !

 

[RBHarter]

I've already found that 1600 is where the fun begins to decline rather quickly .

 

[Brad]

Yep. My Marlin has cut me twice. I hold it rather losers when shooting the 2400 load and when I step up to the 322 load I have forgotten to hold it tight. Scope got me two years in a row that way.
The 322 load was running 1650 which is about all the more I want.

 

[KHornet]

For hunting, I am old fashioned, and a traditionalist. Like the old Gould HP.
Long for Marlin, perfect for #1 Ruger, as is the 420gr OHAS, also to long for
the Marlin. The 457124 Lyman at 385 gr, has often proven to be most
accurate with both Unique and 2400 loads.

Paul

 

[Brad]

My Marlin will easily feed a 457122 HP but they cast way too small for best results. I also prefer the luxury of a 6 cav mould over a single cav.

 

[KHornet]

My #1 Ruger shoots the 457122HP well, at .458. Slow casting, but
worth it to me. Different horses and different jocky's are what make
a horse race. The mold is Brads by the way, has been more or less
on loan for the last few years.

Paul

 

[RBHarter]

Things happen to,for me with reason 7 for 10 .
After all the mucking around and research/searching and fence sitting it all fell in my lap .
A 405 HB was suggested elsewhere , the 457-340F was revisited on the range ...... Something I don't like about it but I don't know what it is .....
Both became available for $40 delivered with the 340 being a double .

Midway had the Lyman 458193 single in a clearance sale and 3 other items I've been seeking for some time . So that fell in the basket too......

With fingers crossed on the Lyman ,I'm off .

I'm sure that once a load is worked out the 50 set sessions will be over ......Right ? So it's not such a big deal that it is a single for the Lyman . Besides 1 cavity reduces the number ways I can get variations .

 

[fiver]

you can turn out a surprising number of bullets with a single cavity mold.
I make enough to keep both my 8 mauser and 32 win going from the same 1 cavity mold.

 

[RBHarter]

I have a couple of others , a 454424 for example but the NOE 5C sure cuts down on time to feed the hungry 92s ,1917s and RBH .
The random salvage lead bucket of the 193s looks like it will work and with good QC I should be good to go with my own . That will give me 3 proper bullets plus an ROA 220 conical and a paper patched 350 . That should keep me busy for 6-7 months .

 

[KHornet]

Probably still have 12-14 single cav molds. They get used once in awhile, but
the 6 cav. lees get more workout more often.

Paul