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Bret4207

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I do have a little I ver Johnson top break .33 i have shot. Neat little thing, but i sure wouldn't want to stake my life on it.
IIRC statistics say something like 80% of the time in a self defense situation, the mere presence of the victim having any kind of gun stops the criminal, as in no shots fired. As I've said in the past, first hand experience tells me even a lowly 22 rifle looks pretty darn big when its pointed at your face! If the IJ, (or Hi Point or other "off" brand), is what ya brung to the party...
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I couls see the bullets going down range. I think a .22 LR would make this look weak by comparison.
I watched 38 Specials and 44's going down range if the light is right. If it's a little 32 S+W then you have a nominal 85gr bullet with an advertised fps of about 650. I'm not volunteering to stand in front of it while you shoot and I doubt many BG's are going to be familiar with old guns and ballistics tables. If it's all ya got it's better than a pocket knife.
 

ScottM65

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IIRC statistics say something like 80% of the time in a self defense situation, the mere presence of the victim having any kind of gun stops the criminal, as in no shots fired. As I've said in the past, first hand experience tells me even a lowly 22 rifle looks pretty darn big when its pointed at your face! If the IJ, (or Hi Point or other "off" brand), is what ya brung to the party...


That is not what I would want to depend on. You don't get the fight you want, you get the fight you get.
 

Petrol & Powder

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If confronted with a deadly force situation, it would certainly be better to be armed than to be unarmed.

That’s the old, “some gun is better than no gun”. But since the decision about what to carry occurs long before the need arises, there’s no urgency when making that selection.

As for the mere display of a firearm escalating or deescalating a confrontation, I think there is a lot at play there. The resolve of the attacker to continue the attack. The resolve of the defender to shoot the gun. The underlying issue that caused the situation. The intelligence of the parties involved. The presence of mental illness or drugs.

Displaying a gun may stop an attack but I’m not going to bet the farm on the mere display of a gun ending the problem. I’m going to plan on needing to shoot that gun and hope I don’t have to.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
That is not what I would want to depend on. You don't get the fight you want, you get the fight you get.
I think you're missing the point. None of us wants to get in a gunfight. If you do you belong in an asylum. If you want to go around armed to teeth, in "Condition Yellow" or whatever the mall ninja types talk about, be my guest! I'm not going to carry an old IJ 32 S+W for SD either, but there was a time when that was a popular option. I don't think John Browning had even invented the 1911 in that time period. The point is, that within it's limitations, they can still be useful, fun little guns. And if things do go south and that's all ya got, it's still better than a sharp stick. Having been in a few situations where things were headed south, I can tell you a 357 or 9mm doesn't seem any too big when it comes down to it. Close air support, artillery and large caliber machine guns seemed about right to me at the time.

Anyway, how about those Webleys, eh?!
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Don't point a gun at anything you don't plan on shooting.
Don't shoot anything you don't want to kill .
Don't kill anything you're not going to eat , be eaten by , or doesn't pose an immediate threat to you , home ,or property .

Pretty simple rules to live by .
 

ScottM65

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I think you're missing the point. None of us wants to get in a gunfight. If you do you belong in an asylum. If you want to go around armed to teeth, in "Condition Yellow" or whatever the mall ninja types talk about, be my guest! I'm not going to carry an old IJ 32 S+W for SD either, but there was a time when that was a popular option. I don't think John Browning had even invented the 1911 in that time period. The point is, that within it's limitations, they can still be useful, fun little guns. And if things do go south and that's all ya got, it's still better than a sharp stick. Having been in a few situations where things were headed south, I can tell you a 357 or 9mm doesn't seem any too big when it comes down to it. Close air support, artillery and large caliber machine guns seemed about right to me at the time.

Anyway, how about those Webleys, eh?!


There was a time when a spear worked too, but we aren't in those times. If I'm drawing a gun, it's to shoot.
 

CZ93X62

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It is unsound policy to presume rational thought and sound reasoning to the predatory acts of feral humans. There is merit to Bret's assertion that mere presence of a firearm can dissuade victimizers--that is why residential burglaries in the USA are far more often committed to unoccupied dwellings than when folks are home.
 

ScottM65

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It is unsound policy to presume rational thought and sound reasoning to the predatory acts of feral humans. There is merit to Bret's assertion that mere presence of a firearm can dissuade victimizers--that is why residential burglaries in the USA are far more often committed to unoccupied dwellings than when folks are home.

Firearms don't stop anything, will does.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Firearms don't stop anything, will does.
Not true.

Firearms can stop the ability to continue to fight.
Firearms can stop oxygenated blood from reaching the brain. Firearms can stop nerve impulses from reaching muscles. Firearms can break bones needed for stability.

No – I will confidently say that firearms CAN stop some things, particularly humans.

Yes, there needs to be a person with the will to employ that tool, but that person can be a good person or a bad person. So, perhaps the only option left is to be the good person wielding that tool.
 

richhodg66

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I didn't buy a .45 Webley in Leavenworth a few years ago, slightly less than the asking price of thos one, wish I had now. The .38 S&w ones show up relatively frequently, but the big bore ones not so much
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
The initial point was that these old guns can still serve. Now it's morphed into spears and "My will is stronger than yours". This has reached the point of no return.
 
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richhodg66

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Good point, and at the time I had no way of telling and wiuldn't have even thought of it. In reality, it wouldn't have made any real difference. I would want it to shoot and i'd figure out how to do that.
 

Thumbcocker

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In the song "The Devil's Right Hand" Steve Eral said a pistol "can get you into trouble but it can't get you out." I have always disagreed with that line.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Devil's right-hand lyrics.

My very first pistol was a cap and ball Colt
Shoot as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow
It loads a mite slow and I soon found out
It can get you into trouble but it can't get you out

One of my favorite albums