Weighing little bullets!!!!!

KHornet

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Weighing and segregating (ya, I know that is not a PC word) any bullets is pretty much a thankless task, regardless of the size/cal of the bullets. Not bad doing 400 grain 45-70 bullets, because I only cast maybe 100-150 at a time, and they are easy to handle. That said, the smaller the cal/size the harder they are to
handle, and the smaller they are, the more I tend to cast more of them (because I will shoot more of them).
Sort of a catch 22 proposition. Pardon the pun as I relate this to .225 bullets!

I sit here typing having just completed weighing and segregating over 600 37gr. NOE GC bullets. This means that I have cast them, sorted them for blems, checked them, sized and lubed them and weighed the little buggers. I have no choice in the process if I want to shoot them in my Hornet/K Hornet with a reasonable degree of accuracly. It is much easier to get good, make that great, accuracy with 35 gr Hornady. However, being knot headed!!!!!!!!!

Now that I have the GC's done need to cast up anotherl 6-700 of the same bullet, but in the plain base version to shoot 50 yd squib loads. At least with them I can eliminate the checking, and lubing them with 2+ coats of BLL is easy for sure. But then comes the necessity of weighing them. I could probably go to larger 22 cal bullets, but then I could also sell my rifles! That as they say just "Aint goona happen"! So I sit here with less than gleeful anticipation of casting the plain base little buggers. (At least they cast fast).

Don't know that this thread adds anything of intrincent value to the forum, but I feel better typing it, and knowing that I have a years supply of 37gr. NOE GC's. (This is why Brad doesn't mess with little ones!)
 
Some folks just enjoy a good torture session. I have to hand it to you, I got the bug and purchased a five holer mold, a .225 H&L die for my 4500, and a thousand checks and couldn't wait to start making a batch of roll my owns. Fast forward, I cast about 300, sorted out a hundred or so and got all set to size and lube those shining little jewels. I did about fifty, boxed up the mold, sizer and checks and sold them the next day. All the boolits went back in the pot and I turned them into .360's and .432's. Much easier for me to handle and saves a ton of brain damage.
 
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S Mac

Sept. 10, 2021 Steve left us. You are missed.
I have started weighing my .225's, what a pain with my balance beam powder scale. I can see an electronic scale in my future someday. KHornet, do you segregate to .2 grains? This on .225's.
 

KHornet

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Minute of Berm, that was probably an intelligent move. Probably at my age, do have brain damage to match stubbornness.

SMac, I do segregate to .2 gr. on all the 22's and 6mm's that I cast. Would not do it if I had to use a beam scale. The little
electronic scales are the only way to go. Mine is a Hornady that I bought on ebay, seems like 8-10 years ago. Changed the
battery once. Have probably weighed 4-5000 bullets on the thing or maybe even more. However I am retired, or maybe
retarded when It comes to weighing bullets.

I tried paper patching long time back, and that was a torture session for me to get the few that were successes and that I shot.
Never again on that deal. Then again, I never tried a lot of things!
 

quicksylver

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.1 gr ..electronic scale..30 cal..got to handle them anyways .....peace of mind at the range..I do find dome odd ones ..look great but way off on weight...
 

JWFilips

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Paul,
If you look at it as just part of the casting process it all comes together!
Recently with my softer alloys I started water dropping ( as you do) After I dry them I run them thru my sizer dies before the get their hard skin.After that that is when I weigh mine in to .1 gr increments and package up. When you look at it as part of the casting process it really isn't TOO BAD! ;)
Jim
 

Rick

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What is this hard skin you speak of? When steel is heat treated it gets a surface hardness. Lead does not react like steel and it will become the same hardness through the entire bullet, no surface hardness like steel. Just the metallurgy of lead.
 

JWFilips

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Rick,
I thought the hardening started at the surface and worked it way into the center of the bullet. That is why I always try to size before 12 hrs of water dropping, This is not so ? Please understand I'm still trying to understand the hardening principal.
Jim
 

Rick

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It's possible the center may take a bit of time because the outside cools first, don't know how one could test that or how long it may take but I suspect not very long, the metallurgy of lead is that it will be the same hardness all the way through.
 

KHornet

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I agree with Rick Jim, regarding "skin" hardness of lead. Will be darned If I could figure out a way to test interior and exterior hardness at the same time, but maybe someone with tech interests might find a way.

I try to size within the first day or two of casting, but it doesn't always work out time wise. Accordingly, it just makes sizing down the road just requiring a bit more pressure. I have sized some that I cast well over a year after casting them.

Dan, I need to get a .1 gr electronic scale. What kind do you have?
Paul