Winchesters 350 “Legend”

gman

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That's an impressive group with the SSP's. That bullet and Speer's 180 Hot Cores have done well for me in my 14" 35 Remmy Contender. I feel you on the 357 Max. I wanted a Ruger SRM for many years. I found my first which was a 7.5" and that turned into two more both 10.5". They are an absolute joy to shoot. 4227 is a very good powder for the max in the Ruger's.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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That's an impressive group with the SSP's. That bullet and Speer's 180 Hot Cores have done well for me in my 14" 35 Remmy Contender. I feel you on the 357 Max. I wanted a Ruger SRM for many years. I found my first which was a 7.5" and that turned into two more both 10.5". They are an absolute joy to shoot. 4227 is a very good powder for the max in the Ruger's.
I need to try those Speer 180's as well. I have not as yet.

I have a small batch of the 22/4227/180SSP loaded to confirm @ 100 & 200.

As "late" as its getting if this accuracy holds And its truly 2000 ish @ 15'. Ill likely use this load this season.

If not.... Im thinking I chop off the knob that is the barre thread and re- crown and prove/dis prove Tommie boys assumptions. (I tend to agree with him its a light bbl) PLUS, threading was always something I considered removing or NOT needing. Some locales consider it a "evil" part.

CW
 

CWLONGSHOT

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UPDATE:

I emailed Faxon and they sent me a new barrel with a call tag for the old.

I shot this bbl Saturday. I did not lod specail or any more. I shot up the "remnants" I had on hand. Some jacked some cast and some cast subsonics.

EVERYTHING SHOT 1" or smaller @50 yards!!!

Need to load and test more to find a node. But Im satisfied that Ill find something!!



AND IN TIME TO HUNT THIS YEAR!!
 

CWLONGSHOT

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Hair brained idea at a "fun" loading...

Soi was loading some 380's few days ago. Using Inceptor ARX 56g bullets. These are a "fluid technology" designed bullets. They have a RN profile but three "scallops" to react to the fluids in bodies.

What about a 56g bullet in a 350 Legend?

Im assuming 3000+ fps.

Would the bullet hold together?

Would rotational forces rip it appart?

Would it "splode" on impact?

I have data for 90g bullets in the Legend. I use 90g data in the 380 as manufacturer suggests.


any suggestions?

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fiver

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no suggestions, but maybe an observation?

bullets are designed to work within an impact velocity window.
[actually most of them just happened to fall into one based on a particular cartridge, but that's meh]
I don't know enough about the construction or makeup of those bullets to give any more feedback than that.
you might find something useful there, or more likely just a lot of fragments at the entrance.
 

popper

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Doubt it would be on paper even if it doesn't 'poof'. Aerodynamics of the nose isn't designed or strong enough for 3K fps. Injection moulded tolerances aren't that tight.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Ya won't know if ya don't go.

I did a silly thing in 2003 right after getting the CZ-550 in 9.3 x 62 Mauser. Several silly things, in retrospect--but all of them turned out to work fairly well and at the same time.

There were two choices of brass in 2003 for 9.3 x 62........slim, and none. There WERE Mauser cases with the wider .480" head diameter (vs. the usual .473" of 308. 30-06, et al), but the easily-had cases were too short (55-57 mm long). RWS and Norma brass could be had, but with kids in school there was way too much month left at the end of the money to indulge in that sort of largesse.

Remington 35 Whelen brass, to the rescue. That's Part One of the saga. Part Two involves bullets that fit the throat and grooves of this oddball caliber. Not such an oddball in Europe, but here in the US of A .366" bullets are kind of a trivia question. I had already succumbed to the allure of the 9mm Makarov some 10 years previously, and Hornady made jacketed bullets of 90-95 grains to feed these little Com-Bloc blow-backs. So did Speer (.363"), Sierra (.364"), and Hornady @ .365". Close enough for government work. Fuel selected was some of the remaining WC-852/fast lot from the GI Brass milsurp powder fashion uptick, which I thought would work well enough to 1) launch the uber-light-for-caliber projectiles and 2) provide sufficient pressure to help blow the shoulder forward 1/10" from the 35 Whelen shoulder setting.

I ran 10 of the 35 Whelen brass through the tapered expander ball of the 9.3 x 62 sizing die, gave it an unrecalled weight of WC-852 (about 95% density) and brought rifle and loads along for one of the Bomb Squad Weekends where those maniacs destroy seized explosives way out in the desert. That event had the added entertainment venue of "Let's Help Al Blow Up His Brand-New Rifle" to the weekend's festivities. The first few were fired remotely, and worked without incident. Bullets went downrange, shoulders blew forward perfectly, and the Mauser claw extractor held the case properly. The remaining rounds were fired standing/offhand, and printed close to the iron sights at 50 yards. The guys were a little bent outta shape that I only brought 10 rounds, but they had enough of their own guns and ammo to keep dull times at a distance. We certainly did.

I spent the next few months running the remaining 90 9.3mm Whelen brass through the rifle as above. Let me say here, .365" 90 grain JHPs meant for 1100 FPS do VERY BAD THINGS to jackrabbits and ground squirrels they connect with at 2900-3000 FPS start velocities. The bullets held together fine in the 3 turns/meter rifling, shot with decent accuracy, and I still have all 100 of the original 35 Whelen cases on hand and in good condition. These get used for cast bullet loads in my CZ-550, usually running a 270 grain GC flatnose in the 1700 FPS ballpark (educated guess) atop 23.0 grains of 2400.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

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Morning guys,

Tommy,
Nito is another internet buddy (like you) of mine! We talk like you and I over email and PM fairly often. I have seen his vid and we talked yesterday a couple times about this.
Its a wild hair...
Like 9.3 says wont know if I dont try. I might try... Might not. I surely have no need expect to expand my knowledge. Im always looking to do that!!:)

I ran every powder I have on hand thru QL yesterday while icing this knee. Many worked and I find this very interesting learning how different powder act and react. Power Pistol is a new powder to me. I have had for couple three years maybe.
But started using it in 40 & 10mm and well kinda stopped. Its a very good powder for these too and its now my go to for my 40 loads. My MSR wouldnt shoot the favored CLAYs load so I went to PP and haven't really looked back.
The Clays was awesome producing very light recoil, clean barrels and spot on 155/900 fps velocities But starting with the PCC/ MSR couple years back it just didnt like that bullet/powder that my G35/22 did.
I used to love shooting SxS with the 9mm crowd and them seeing my plates fall more aggressively from perimeter hits then theres and at same tim I had less muzzle rise and less recoil is exactly same sized gun. I remember beating this one guy who should have beat me hands down. But was one of those shooting powder puff loads and simply couldn't swing the plates like I do. (Dueling tree) If I hit the plate at all, it went around. He needed to hit outer edge and slight low. So I had a 4" target and he had a 1/1-5" target. Plus he was a sponsored shooter. He would complain every match about adjusting plates. We told him its a fun match NO $$ so shut the pie hole and have fun... or dont and leave. KUDOs to this club cause its 10$ if ya help and 20$ if ya dont to shoot a good five hours on there range and there plates and RO's they even post scores for braggin rights.

CW
 

Ian

Notorious member
PP is good in the .40 and .45 Super for sure. Flashy though.

Spending "quality time" with Quickload, a handful of bullets, a cartridge case, scale, and calipers can be very educational for sure. We used to seek the same education from the old IMR brochures, comparing how a certain powder behaved (velocity and pressure) with start and max loads with different calibers, expansion ratios, and bullet weights. You could actually plot graphs showing when a powder stared to get spikey and what sort of situations it would prefer to find itself.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I tried some BlueDot again... I like the powder too Much for it not to work here!! ;)
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11.5g is netting 1400 fps with my MP 359-220 bullet and grouping well enough.

Suprize was my lil custom 38 "Hydra shock" 130g mold and 5g Trail Boss.

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CWLONGSHOT

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My Ruger bolt made Venison today. One MP 359-220 HP Cast 20:1 thru the ribs did the deed. Down in site 50 ish yards tipped over on his nose. 137# dressed. Thru & thru ribs hit both sides. At first I thought it didnot escape. But found a nickel sized hole behind off side leg as it moved forward. 2" hole thru heart so good expansion for 1400 fps.

CW.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I had both of mine out today. I wanted to see accuracy if 150 & 180 Factory in Bolt. A d two hand loads. Using my NOE 180 HP and B dot a d a Dennis Furry custom 165g bullet. With H110. EVERYTHING shot OUT STANDING!!!

I only shot @ 50 as we have had downpours all day here.

Winchester 150g.

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Winchester 180's

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My hand load with BDot and a NOE 180 HP

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Lastly the D Furry custom jacketed 165 Bullet.

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