Heh heh heh.....

Ian

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You guys know about the "Good Idea Fairy", right? Brad and I have been trying to tar and feather him for a while, but the little buggar is a first-class Ninja.

Speaking of Ninjas, this idea popped into my head earlier today after watching far too many u-toob vids documenting 300 Blackout suppressors in action. The damn AR-15 action is just loud. Bolt actions aren't loud until you cycle the action, and you can CHOOSE when that happens or how briskly it needs doing. And I happen to have a Savage Pig Gun barrel that's threaded on both ends leaning in the corner by the tomato stakes. Now I know that barrel's chamber and throat like the back of my hand since I spent so much time with it getting it to group with cast bullets at over 2300 fps. See where this is going? I gots this fancy new 235-grain plain-based, .30-caliber mould that I also know pretty well, and a pinch of Red Dot sure can zing a cast bullet with next to no muzzle pressure......

So, naturally, I had to prep a .308 Winchester case, seat a .3098"-sized ACE 235 in it and try it in the barrel. Just a scuff from the land origin and a scuff on the front band. Perfect. I swat at something buzzing by my ear...and...BINGO! the idea hits me! Now I know what to do with that left-handed Savage tacticool sniper rifle I bought a couple of years ago! It's got the long forend with two swivel studs, contoured for that heavy monster of a 24" cannon barrel, and as configured I never shoot the thing any more even though I prefer a left-handed rifle in the field. I wonder if the tall barrel sights will line up if I headspace it? I rummage around in my box o' Savage parts and find two brand-new, black barrel nuts (I always end up having to cut them off of factory rifles that have the bead-blasted finish so I keep spares), a set of Leupold QD scope bases for a Savage short-action, and lo and behold a brand-new set of high scope rings to boot. QD mounts and open sights that will clear a suppressor is a great combination (yet another $200 tax stamp, yeah!), pop off the scope for CQB in the brush or if the scope gets bumped, or even set up a Sightron NV scope on another set of rings. Picatinny ain't the only game in town, you know. I keep hearing little snickers coming from the top shelf above my loading bench, must be a cricket up there or something. Anyway, I unbolt the scope, check existing headspace, bust the rifle down to parade rest, and screw on the Pig Gun barrel. I check and recheck headspace and the sights are dead-nuts on TDC at 1.6305" headspace. How does Savage do that? Their thread timing for action and barrel must be immaculate, or I'm just lucky. Probably that. Looks like I'm stuck using the Savage recoil lug, but that's ok, I'm going to use this POS plastic stock, too, cuz I'm cheap.

Speaking of cheap, the stagger-feed blind box magazines on a Savage 10 rifle is definitely the brain-child of a team of extraordinary bean-counters. I'll bet they cost three cents to make, each. Dadgum thing in my ear again, what IS that??? OH!! Lookie there what fell out of the drag bag earlier: A stack of 20-round M1A magazines. Hmmmm. Yep, feed lips are right, feed angle is right, those mags will clear the front steel pillar, lots of room at the back side to make a pivoting latch of some sort, Dremel out the bottom of the stock, make a spring pin for the front of the magazine, I do believe it will work for the Savage. Gotta google this up and see if anyone has already done it, I'll bet someone has with either M1A, FAL, or SR-25 magazines. The reason that is so cool to me is this rifle lived previously in my drag bag next to a bona-fide M1A, and will be going back in there after it's upcoming makeover, so wouldn't it be neat to use the same magazines for both rifles? That reminds me, I forgot to check the dummy round to see if it will fit the magazine, but I do and it does....barely. Wow, I bet these little subsonic hammers will work in the M1A too, with the spindle valve closed.

At this point I look up suddenly and catch not one, but THREE little Ninja Good Idea fairys sitting on that top shelf, dangling their little legs and giving each other high-fives.

About that time I reach for a hammer...........
 

Barn

Active Member
I will trade you some of my Bad Idea fairys for some of your Good Idea fairys! Lots of Bad ones here and very few Good ones.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Well, fairy dust or not it now has a slicked-up action, lapped bolt lugs, and properly torqued and indexed barrel. It's coming right along.
 

minmax

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Ian, I have so many good idea fairies flying around my head. The only thing is I don't have any way of implementing them. I'm glad everything seems to be going smoothly so far.
 

KHornet

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Not concerned with fairies good or bad! Am concerned with "Haints" however that change point of impact from one shooting session to another. Haints is a southern term.
 

Barn

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I need to apologize for hijacking this thread. I commented in jest. The thread started with some great ideas using various parts on hand and the ability to utilize them. Not only parts on hand but the ability to put them together and make a great project. My hat is off to Ian for a project well done.
 

Ian

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No worries, Barn, this whole project is whimsical and fun for me, even though putting together a 62,000 PSI rifle from pieces is rather serious business and there is a definite purpose behind it all.
 

35 shooter

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Not concerned with fairies good or bad! Am concerned with "Haints" however that change point of impact from one shooting session to another. Haints is a southern term.
Well i'll be....probably haven't heard that word(Haints) used in over 25 years. Dad used to say it all the time.

Great project Ian. Hope to see some pic's.
 

minmax

Active Member
For those uneducated in proper vocabulary what is Haints? I could only guess but, I'd be wrong.
 

35 shooter

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For those uneducated in proper vocabulary what is Haints? I could only guess but, I'd be wrong.
I can't speak for KHornet, but when i was young a lot of the older generation used that word to describe anything that could "haunt" you....ghosts, demons, goblins, or just pure bad luck was a "haint".
Southern slang.
 

Ian

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Photo by request. Note the muzzle protector, high factory barrel sights, heavy Savage bolt knob I sourced from my parts bin (they were backordered for years and I bought extras when available), and the for now black stock that fits the heavy barrel contour perfectly.



Anyone happen to know if Bondo body filler will adhere to Savage factory stocks? I'm going to need to fill a lot of space around the magazine box if I do the M1A conversion.
 

Ian

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The cool part is it's 100% Savage parts and they all match, just like they would have made it if they'd made a model like that in lefty with a black, three-stud stock and "tactical" bolt knob. I may or may not screw it up with a removable magazine, we'll see.
 

Ian

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It will work fine if I can accomplish just three things: Create a magazine well, relieve a small amount of metal from the bottom of the receiver rails, and install a pivoting, thumb-paddle magazine latch with spring-loaded plunger. Should be simple since I intend to make the well and paddle integral to the stock rather than create a modular piece of bottom metal.

I'll try to take better pictures, I just can't ever seem to get enough light going for a non-flash photo, must be an effect of CFL lighting.
 

Ian

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Ok, per discussions with Ben in another thread I'm posting some targets. This rifle has since been fitted with one of my registered, ATF "form 1" suppressors, this one consisting of flashlight, solvent trap, and engine parts that I greatly modified and hacked together. That's the only way I shoot this rifle.

The 10-twist rifle was having some problems throwing frequent, yawed flyers with the Lee 230 5R bullet, but otherwise showed a lot of promise grouping them with 6.4 grains of Titegroup. I noticed, shooting some older loads, that the Federal 210 primers threw fewer yawed flyers and holes were generally more round. Federal being considered milder than CCI LRP, I sought to work backwards one more step and try LPP instead, hoping to reduce the yawing still more. It seems to have worked, disregarding the first round cold suppressor pop flyer slightly low and way to the right (happens every time with this setup, it's not the load or the bore condition).

I also tried the MP 130-grain hollow point plain based bullet, also powder coated, and compared to yesterday the groups didn't improve nearly as much as they did with the big, heavy Lee bullet. It's upper left target, bottom left bull.

First group this morning is upper left, top target, showing the FRPF and nine more in a ragged hole. The shot at the upper left edge of that group was a called flyer, the rifle "popped" in the bags and I felt it go out on the follow through, otherwise that 5/8" group would have been a 3/8" group.

Compare to the two right-hand targets: Same load with the Lee bullet but with CCI 200 primer, two sight-in groups from a different day, note group dispersion and yaw. Lower right target, very bottom group, note tight cluster of four shots and #3 shot yawed badly and thrown high. No first shot thrown in either of those scenarios because suppressor was already hot from prior shooting. So far the switch to WLP primers, keeping all else the same, has really taken the yaw out of the bullets except for the FRPF.
 

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