NOE 74 gr bullets

johnnyjr

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These bullets are small lube grooves. My question is. Do you think a coating of lee liquid alox will be good on them. What velocity do you think I can run them?

This is 243 caliber. I don't like the powder coat on them. I messed with over all length. Thanks. These are plain base and gas check bullets. Made with Lyman no 2 alloy. Enjoy your day.
 

JonB

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While the NOE 245-74-FN has a small Lube groove, it holds enough lube. It doesn't take much if you are using a good lube.
I will add that the other bullet (Loverin) that you are using has a bunch of lube grooves, and most of us that shoot it, will only put lube in a couple grooves and leave the rest empty.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
If you were using older lubes, sometimes even stuff like the old standard 50/50 Alox/Beeswax, then sometimes you did need more. The older lubes that were home made conglomerations of waterpump grease, hard oils and waxes just aren't even close to the better lubes we have today. So many older designs, like the Loverins, carried a lot more grooves because the lube wasn't that great. Plus, we've come a long, long way on figuring out that it's not just lube that stops leading! Once again- it's FIT!!! Older undersized (skinny) bullets trying to be pushed at speeds/pressures approaching jacketed loads were ripe to lead a barrel. But a bullet that fits well simply isn't going to need massive amounts of lube as was thought to be needed in 1930. As Jon mentioned, many people using Loverin designs only fill one or two of those small grooves and find they way better accuracy that way and still no leading issues. There is also the theory that lube doesn't actually "lubricate" anything, but that it helps seal the bore/bullet interface to prevent gas erosion which does create leading.

I don't know that Lees Mule Snot (Liquid Alox) is a great lube to depend on if you want to get past the 15-1600 fps. It CAN work, I know that first hand. But it might not be the best choice. There are some vendors out there, some were members here or at the other site, that have liquid lubes that are reported to be several levels better than the Lee stuff. I'm sure some of the other guys recall the names of those vendors, but they escape me at the moment.

And if you are going to try a plain base design over 1500 fps, man, that's getting into masters level territory cast shooting. It's doable, but it ain't easy if you're just starting out. PB in a rifle for me ends in the 12-1350 area for most stuff. A GC makes things exponentially easier as you increase pressure.
 

Maven

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These bullets are small lube grooves. My question is. Do you think a coating of lee liquid alox will be good on them. What velocity do you think I can run them?

This is 243 caliber. I don't like the powder coat on them. I messed with over all length. Thanks. These are plain base and gas check bullets. Made with Lyman no 2 alloy. Enjoy your day.
I'd certainly coat them in liquid ALOX if they were mine. Btw, I use Lars' Liquid Xlox thinned with mineral spirits (the real stuff, not water based).
 

Mainiac

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If you were using older lubes, sometimes even stuff like the old standard 50/50 Alox/Beeswax, then sometimes you did need more. The older lubes that were home made conglomerations of waterpump grease, hard oils and waxes just aren't even close to the better lubes we have today. So many older designs, like the Loverins, carried a lot more grooves because the lube wasn't that great. Plus, we've come a long, long way on figuring out that it's not just lube that stops leading! Once again- it's FIT!!! Older undersized (skinny) bullets trying to be pushed at speeds/pressures approaching jacketed loads were ripe to lead a barrel. But a bullet that fits well simply isn't going to need massive amounts of lube as was thought to be needed in 1930. As Jon mentioned, many people using Loverin designs only fill one or two of those small grooves and find they way better accuracy that way and still no leading issues. There is also the theory that lube doesn't actually "lubricate" anything, but that it helps seal the bore/bullet interface to prevent gas erosion which does create leading.

I don't know that Lees Mule Snot (Liquid Alox) is a great lube to depend on if you want to get past the 15-1600 fps. It CAN work, I know that first hand. But it might not be the best choice. There are some vendors out there, some were members here or at the other site, that have liquid lubes that are reported to be several levels better than the Lee stuff. I'm sure some of the other guys recall the names of those vendors, but they escape me at the moment.

And if you are going to try a plain base design over 1500 fps, man, that's getting into masters level territory cast shooting. It's doable, but it ain't easy if you're just starting out. PB in a rifle for me ends in the 12-1350 area for most stuff. A GC makes things exponentially easier as you increase pressure.
Im shooting the 358156 in a 350 legend.the bullet has very small lube grooves to start,and mine drops .360,once i size them down .356,,there is hardly any lube in this bullet.shot it almost up to 2200fps today,,shot well,barrell shiney clean.i worried about running out of lube in 18 inch barrell,but no worries.
But,like you mentioned,this is gas checked,,plain based might be a different animal.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Im shooting the 358156 in a 350 legend.the bullet has very small lube grooves to start,and mine drops .360,once i size them down .356,,there is hardly any lube in this bullet.shot it almost up to 2200fps today,,shot well,barrell shiney clean.i worried about running out of lube in 18 inch barrell,but no worries.
But,like you mentioned,this is gas checked,,plain based might be a different animal.
Do they need to be sized down to .356?