30 Carbine vs 30 Apache

[freebullet]

So, please, try and stay close to the question or not.

or not we gots lots.

Of your original options I'd choose the 30carbine in a savage. 30c only because got x39 & like savage better.

Apache does sound interesting & cast friendly. More fun in repeater but no support. At the end I'd like the 30 carbine in a repeater to. So yeah I'd be lookin at an m1 or an ar. Plus enough mags & components to be considered well supplied. I ain't tellin you shouldn't, can't, or don't on your bolt gun.

 

[fiver]

you could easy way out with a Henry in 327.
or a 92 in 357.
or a marlin in 38 special they all really do the same 125-130gr bullet thing.

downloading a larger case is also super simple, a 340 savage in 30-30 will plonk a 125 or 150 out at 900 fps easy enough.

there's at least 50 options since we cast and reload.
heck a 308 with the rcbs 98gr rnfp would under do it with 4grs of clays or titegroup.
I went through a kick some time back just having fun running many of my guns from as slow and as light as I could go [far enough down I had to modify my lube and barrel condition with graphite to make them get the bullet out the barrel] all the way up as fast as I could go with a nominal to slightly heavy weight bullet.
there was easily 5 useful load levels I could find with each and every rifle.
then I went on a one trick pony load for some of them looking for the most useful [broad use, ground squirrels to deer] and accurate load I could find.
we don't have too many rabbits around here, but 3-4oz ground squirrels aren't too hard to find, and shooting them with weird stuff like an 8 mauser with a flat nose 170gr bullet at like 2000 fps, or a 44 mag lever gun with the 429241 stoked with 19.3grs. of 2400 is pretty amusing until the recoil catches up with you.

 

[RBHarter]

I still want a 25 ACP built off a 22 mag chassis in a repeater and revolver . I guess because the 22 RF shortage is twice fresh in my mind . The 25 ACP would fall in between LR and Mag 22s with core weight bullets and of course for either a guy could go with like an 90 gr heavy over 3.0 gr of Blue Dot or a RB over 4.5 gr of H110 in the rifle . Squirrel slayer deluxe ! Probably not real healthy for garden pests inside 100 yd up to coyote sized either . Same rim dia and thickness as 22 mag and only .024 wider case the same OAL .

 

[Rushcreek]

A buddy just got a Howa Mini in 7.62x39 that shoots Wolf ammo into small groups at 100 yards. It would probably be cast friendly as well.

 

[Bret4207]

I still want a 25 ACP built off a 22 mag chassis in a repeater and revolver . I guess because the 22 RF shortage is twice fresh in my mind . The 25 ACP would fall in between LR and Mag 22s with core weight bullets and of course for either a guy could go with like an 90 gr heavy over 3.0 gr of Blue Dot or a RB over 4.5 gr of H110 in the rifle . Squirrel slayer deluxe ! Probably not real healthy for garden pests inside 100 yd up to coyote sized either . Same rim dia and thickness as 22 mag and only .024 wider case the same OAL .

Some time back on a forum I used to visit some people were making 25ACP rifles out of Rugers IIRC. The barrel was no problem, the mag was!

 

[RBHarter]

Dad had a couple of those old Winchesters 60 and 67 models I never minded a single shot but the kids get bored . I have a cheap 22 mag donor revolver , I did all the math but alas tools have remained beyond my means .

Edit for correct models .
Seems the 60 was also made in WRF and suitable for the 22 mag ....

 

[Hawk]

5.56 NATO is 45 mm in length.
7.62 x 40 is (suprise) 40 mm in length.
300 BlK is 35 mm in length.
The 7.62 x 40 is designed to chamber a 125 gr. Sierra Pro Hunter and still fit a standard 5.56 magazine.

 

[Bruce Drake]

If you have a 223 Rem or 300 BLK sized bolt-rifle already, I would go with 30 Apache over the 300BLK only if you had magazine space to allow a 150gr bullet to be loaded without having to bury the bullet past the neck of the cartridge to fit the magazine well. I owned a 30 Apache setup in an AR15 and if I was using 125gr or 110gr they would just fit in a modified AR15 magazine but 150gr bullets had to be seated deep to work.

If you have access to a 7.62x39 bolt rifle, I would go for that but only if the barrel was a .308 bore to allow more bullet choices to be available versus the .310/.311 bores of the european standards.

 

[Hawk]

Accurate Molds has a mold (31-155W) that some of the gentlemen on this board designed for the 7.62x40 WT.

Bullet Design Catalog | Accurate Molds

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Drops 158 gr. From my mold with unsorted wheel weights.
It may be something that would work in some of the other 30 caliber wildcats.

 

[Gary]

Of the two choices OP cited; I'd go for the 30 Apache.

 

[RBHarter]

Bruce that is exactly why I've been passively looking for a SS 300 BO barrel to run a PPC reamer in .......

 

[StrawHat]

...7.62 x 40 is (suprise) 40 mm in length...The 7.62 x 40 is designed to chamber a 125 gr. Sierra Pro Hunter and still fit a standard 5.56 magazine...

Interesting, I did a search and found quite a bit on info on the 7.62x40. A bit shorter than the Apache so a couple more steps to forming but loaded ammunition is available? Designed to work in AR magazines. And designed to work with medium weight bullets.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Kevin

 

[Hawk]

Wilson Tactical has reintroduced the 7.62x40 as the 300 Ham'r or something like that.
I think the 7.62... was just to long of a name.
Anyway, the 300 Ham'r is designed to use 30-30 bullets, so you might want to take a look at that.
I've got the 7.62x40 WT and pretty happy with it.

 

[Hawk]

The AR15 site has a thread that is pretty informative.

7.62x40mm Information Thread - Page 1 - AR15.COM

Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear.

www.ar15.com

It really is pretty much a handloading cartridge.
edited to correct the link.

 

[StrawHat]

Just checked Starline’s website. They offer 223 Basic brass that might work for forming.

Kevin

 

[Bret4207]

A buddy just got a Howa Mini in 7.62x39 that shoots Wolf ammo into small groups at 100 yards. It would probably be cast friendly as well.View attachment 12961

Oh no! I just had to go look up "Howa Mini". Now I want another rifle......

 

[Ian]

Brownells has the mini in 300 BLK on sale right now. WT reamer would make an easy conversion, or leave it alone. With 110-125 grain bullets the BLK is basically a .30 Carbine.

 

[Bruce Drake]

Bruce that is exactly why I've been passively looking for a SS 300 BO barrel to run a PPC reamer in .......



I went and recut a 300BLK AR15 1-8" twist barrel to a wildcat 7.62x41 chambering using a 450 Bushmaster AR15 bolt.... trimmed down 7.62x51 brass and thinned the neck a little bit and boom. 7.62x39 ballistics (and a little bit more...) standard 30-rnd mags are 10 rnd-single stack but still more than enough to drop a deer.

 

[Ian]

Sounds close to a .30 RAR, Bruce.

 

[popper]

My 145gr cast works in 40wt case and fits in the 223 mags fine. Bout 1/4' short in BO case. Base is at shoulder.
THik I got good info on Roller barel threads and and drop in barrel but no info from G.S. on adding extractor yet. May drop this project if it adds up to >800$.