Brass slingers

[beagle]

Was reading a thread on the .38 Super and it's ejection habits elsewhere here. Made me think of rifles. Been around the military for years and seen a bunch of different rifles fired. At the range one day, a shooting buddy showed up with an Egyptian Hakim 8x57 and proceeded to fire it. We looked for the brass. I kid you not, we found some at the 25 yard target line and it was beat all to pieces. He reloaded and fired again and several of us watched this time and that was no accident. It went nearly to the 25 yard line. That and the brass condition made it almost unreloadable.
My next in line champion brass thrower was a .351 Winchester Self Loading. This little gem threw them about 15 feet. I eventually moved next to the range shack as they bounced off it and made recovery easy. Very important as these little gems were $.50 each and impossible to find for sale..
My encounter with a handgun came earlier with a Coonan .357. It threw them straight to the right about 20 feet. We found that using .38 Specials loaded at +p velocities, it would both function and drop the brass a couple of feet to the right. Much better. Never know what you'll run into./beagle

 

[CZ93X62]

The HK-91 was my personal champion in terms of throwing two projectiles at once and tearing brass to pieces. The bullets went downrange with excellent accuracy, but the brass did too--about 12-15 yards at 2 o'clock from the line of bore, distended and dented plus smoked like a Virginia ham and striated from the chamber fluting. I got the port buffer the company offered, and it mostly retarded ejection reliability while doing little to slow or attenuate its velocity and distance. 8 months of that was long enough for me--down the road it went.

 

[Ian]

The HK-91 was my personal champion in terms of throwing two projectiles at once and tearing brass to pieces. The bullets went downrange with excellent accuracy, but the brass did too--about 12-15 yards at 2 o'clock from the line of bore, distended and dented plus smoked like a Virginia ham and striated from the chamber fluting. I got the port buffer the company offered, and it mostly retarded ejection reliability while doing little to slow or attenuate its velocity and distance. 8 months of that was long enough for me--down the road it went.

A friend of mine had one of those in the '90s, but not for long. We were both handloaders and .223 ammunition was not being cranked out by the train car load for cheap and general consumption as it has been since. We both thought it was a stupid rifle and yes, it would attack two targets at once.

 

[JustJim]

Once in a while an SVT-40 will pitch brass farther than a Hakim, but the only rifle I've used that reliably accomplished that is the G43. When set up with new springs and shooting WWII-issue s.S Patrone ammo. I had one that from a bench would group brass in a washtub at 30 yards, roughly 30 degrees to the right of the target.

The Swedes seemed to have designed the Ljungman to reliably extract ammo under combat conditions in cold weather. The Egyptians added an adjustable gas port that seemed to always be set to maximize ejection, possibly to counteract the effects of desert dust. Then there were the Germans. . . . If you use the right ammo and keep the bolt oiled, the G43 is as reliable as an AK is fabled to be (more accurate too).

 

[RicinYakima]

The worse I had to deal with was my C-96 Mauser pistol. The DWM 1920's ammo I had would throw them 10 feet to the right and 50 feet behind me. When I was done with that 20 rounds, I always loaded 4.2 grains of Bullseye and it would lay them two feet to the right and two feet behind me.

 

[CZ93X62]

A friend of mine had one of those in the '90s, but not for long. We were both handloaders and .223 ammunition was not being cranked out by the train car load for cheap and general consumption as it has been since. We both thought it was a stupid rifle and yes, it would attack two targets at once.

The HK-93 was in 223, my HK-91 was in 308. After the port buffer was in place, it would tear rims enough to prevent fit into shell holders. What a PITA! Comparatively speaking, the M1As were kind and gentle to 308 brass, leaving it in a nice pile 5 feet to the right of the firing point.

 

[richhodg66]

Agreed on the 1907 in .351, wouldn't keep two cases in the same zip code. I bought a cheap brass catcher designed fir ARs, it velcros on the forend and covers the ejection port. Spent cases go into a mesh bag with a zipper, works well.

 

[Missionary]

401 Winchester does a very good job mowing down weeds and grass. Maybe no worse than the 351 but it would be an interesting test.
We also added a mesh Brass catcher.
After ya spend the time to "manufacture brass" it sort of hurts to loose one.

 

[Rick H]

My brother has a little Taurus .380 that killed from both ends. Fired in a typical modified Weaver two handed stance the empties would hit me square in the forehead. If it was mine I would throw the damned thing in the river.

 

[waco]

My new Magnum Research 1911 in 10mm is horrible. It throws brass a long way and in all different directions. No discernible pattern. Very annoying when shooting brand new Starline brass. We bring out an easy up and hand a tarp to shoot next to now. Makes finding brass a lot easier.

 

[Intel6]

HK91

 

[PGPKY2014]

My new Magnum Research 1911 in 10mm is horrible. It throws brass a long way and in all different directions. No discernible pattern. Very annoying when shooting brand new Starline brass. We bring out an easy up and hand a tarp to shoot next to now. Makes finding brass a lot easier.

Had to do that with a colt delta elite in the day. Then there were the Desert Eagles(44 & 357).

 

[300BLK]

Apparently someone didn't know the gas on that Hakim was adjustable. Semi-auto pistols can be calmed down by using stronger recoil springs and modifying the ejectors.

 

[Rushcreek]

Shooting the Hakim resting on my pickup hood cost me a new windshield. The brass made a nice sized chip and two long cracks…
I was fortunate enough to work on a K43 that the owner had put up dirty years ago. It threw them FAR. And was as accurate as the Hakim using Portuguese FM ammo.
For handguns, the CZ52s that I had chunked their brass way the hell “over there.”

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I dont shoot my Delta any more. But my Glocks would sling brass pretty good till I adjusted the main spring and slowed that slide velocity.

CW

 

[CZ93X62]

If you run CZ-52 to its full value (85 grainers at 1700 FPS) it will send that brass some distance. The nice thing about that CA is that it will function fine with Tokarev ballistics (1375-1400 FPS) and Broomhandle speeds (1200 FPS), and not sling the brass into the next county. I still have about 300 of the 500 original cases I made from 9mm Magnum brass in the early 1990s, and losing those after the forming and trimming hurts like hxxx!

 

[JustJim]

If you run CZ-52 to its full value (85 grainers at 1700 FPS) it will send that brass some distance. The nice thing about that CA is that it will function fine with Tokarev ballistics (1375-1400 FPS) and Broomhandle speeds (1200 FPS), and not sling the brass into the next county. I still have about 300 of the 500 original cases I made from 9mm Magnum brass in the early 1990s, and losing those after the forming and trimming hurts like hxxx!

The first time I shot a CZ52 I almost cried: between damaged cases and cases sent into orbit, I lost about 20% of the cases I had so painstakingly made from .223s.

 

[RicinYakima]

I had two boxes of twenty of this DWM stuff, and I shot one up for the stripper clips. Luckily I had 50 rounds of pre-WW2 Peters brass that I could reload.

 

[oscarflytyer]

Damned AK-47 (buddy's) brass grease marked the crown of my BRAND NEW out of the box Stetson Silver Belly Rancher as it bounced off it - first time firing the rifle and first day wearing the hat! PISSED me off - and why it is my personal "winner"...

As far as throwing brass - FN-FAL. Adjusted the gas and still couldn't find all the brass with a 10'x12' tarp laid out

 

[RicinYakima]

Shooting from the firing line, I wear a baseball cap. Shooting in the field, I wear my 40 year old hat. New ones are for going to church.