Chicken or egg?

[Intheshop]

It occurred to me this morning while cutting M&T's (mortise tennons) that there's some similarities between this std. joinery and case to chamber fit on a rifle.

For us (woodpeckers) it's woefully faster to cut the mortise (chamber),then fit the tennon (cartridge case).

Using our mid '40's Wallace mortising machine....auger drill fits/turns inside a sq. chisel,making a square hole.Sizes are adj. within a range,1/4,3/8,1/2,3/4",typically.

But,even though it's fairly easy on this wonderful pce. of equipment to get the bit orientation in the X,Y,Z axis.It only is "so" close.So you hold your adj./mouth just right,and cut away.....The notion here that it's much easier to cut the tennon (case) to fit the mortise,than the inverse.

So while,you could make all sorts of arguments on which comes first....the chamber or the case?The bttm. line is to fit the case to the chamber.

Back to work,ya'll have a great day.

 

[Cherokee]

Good thought, I can related to that in my semi-skilled woodworking experience.

 

[Intheshop]

Cherokee...going out on a limb here.

We have distinctly two classes of equipment here...it's devided by,user interface.The more,"hands on" the machine/tool is,the more ergos play a role....If there's power feeding,give me brand new.Shapers,moulders and to a slightly lessor extent tablesaws.

But get into bandsaws,drill press,lathes,and in the above case,mortiser...and it crosses into the machine shop...give me classic American"arn".Late 30's through early 50's seems to be where our equipment is.

We have brand new(relatively) equipment runnin right next to the oldies.They both have their sweet spots.1/2 dz electric "chop bxs" being upstaged by old Millers Falls,Stanley hand mitre boxes as an example.

One of these days got to put an ad for freeby wood in the trading section of this forum.We "toss" an awful lot of figured woods(drops).They're great for handgun grips and knife scales.

Oh,and for the record,we ARE a B&S shop....wait for it..


That would be Brown&Sharpe.Starrett and Lufkin,get in line,haha.

 

[fiver]

I got a little smile from this one.

a while back someone posed the question how many wildcat rounds everyone loaded for.
my answer was every rifle I owned was in a wild-cat round.
if it wasn't treated as such I probably wouldn't get the results I do from them.

 

[Intheshop]

Yup,Fiver,exactery...

We can build 2 or 3 hopped up recurves(archery)...all with the same components,same attention to detail,yet each "work" just enough differently that,to the trained eye...they're completely different?Children come to mind.

 

[Intheshop]

Oh,and Fiver....

Just went to our little country post office.There's a silver vette parked next to my hot rod FORD shoptruck.Guy was minus the Miami Vise obligatory"gold chain"...doh.So I asked him how fast it went in first.He said right at 60.

"So,second is,go to jail"?...was my next question."Yup".

The bloom'n thing has 600hp and gets N of 30 mpg.See what I mean about technology?

 

[freebullet]

Mmm....I'd rather have the ole Ford. Both of my chevys have big blocks, get 12-14 & could use the vette as a ramp for jumping or just pull it backward while he burns off his overpriced tires. Techno & composites don't impress me much.

Could rebuild a vehicle for each day of the week for less $ & have metal bumpers when done.

 

[Intheshop]

Heck freebullet...why don't we talk about '16 election's?No wait,my family is Moravian,you Baptist's s...,haha.

I'm Ford because...well,I don't know.I did have a '74 Chevy PU with a 454 that was so clean you could kiss the valve covers.Sold it for more than I paid for it.Fords have been our shop trucks,ever since.On our 3rd.

 

[freebullet]

Long as it don't say dodge I'd probably drive it. They all break but, old iron has a special place with me lol.

Guess loading is the same. Rather have 1000 old cases to uniform/ refurbish than 100 new ones. For me more older is better than less newer. I dunno.

 

[Intheshop]

Dang man,you gonna bust on the Dodge bros?

It's all new school as far as I'm concerned...spent WAY too much time doing historic preservation work on old houses /buildings .

My G-dad was a "player" WRT railroad history.Somewhere 'round here we have a section of track from the famous RR wreck down in Danville Va that he brought home...maybe you've heard of it?Wreck of the ole '97.

Yeah,yeah,we drag knee's pretending not to be racing our sport bikes...but compared to runnin steam engines at 100+....uhh,no comment.

 

[fiver]

you know the only thing I have against vette's is their looks.
I just about bought a 79 a couple of years back.
it was in fine shape and had low miles but I thought the almost 4-k price tag was too high.

 

[RBHarter]

Ford trucks .... I don't know .... Just seem to track to them . My first car was a 66 Ç30 ,327 4v , dual exhaust , 5.20 rear end . It'd pull good but tached 3k at 56 mph the spread bore opened at about 52 . The 2nd car was a 59 Ranchero , 3 on the tree and a 300 hp bird, perfect for every 17 yo male .
I've run Chrysler, Plymouth , Ford ,Caddi to death out on the highways . I've run Ford ,Chevy , International, Nissan ,Datsun and ,Isuzu trucks and UTEs either to death or until I was tired of driving them .
If I could drive 1 for the sake of driving cool factor/recognition it would be a toss between the last Hemi Challenger R/T and an XJS 12 Jag . I could afford to not care about gas mileage and valves . Of course a 36 Packard Super 8 would make the cool cut too , maybe a 49 Hudson coupe .
Alas no such fortune so my driver of late is a $500 99 explorer 2 door 5 speed currently sitting @ 275 k . Change the oil ,keep it full of gas turn the key and go .

 

[Brad]

I can make cases fit a chamber, it is far harder to make a chamber fit the case! We can control the case thru partial or neck sizing after fire forming.

Ever notice we fire form a case to fit chamber but not the other waya round?

 

[Brad]

Oh, I drive a Toyota Tundra.

 

[RicinYakima]

In metal working, the harder or more difficult to machine piece is created first. Or the permanent piece is created first. With a firearms, the chamber stays and the soft brass case is a disposable item.

Sorry, Hudson Jetliners and Hornets for me (except for a fling with '63 red on red SS Impala).

 

[Cherokee]

I've been a Ford man all my life, starting with the '57 2DHT Fairlane 500, when I moved from Florida, I switched to 4X4's Bronco's, then Explorer, then mountaineer. Did have a fling with IH and Chrysler, came back to Ford. My explorer was the best of the lot, 250K, but I just got tired of it. My first PU was a few years ago, a used '88 S10 short bed. Its appeal was its great condition...and a 'vet 5L under the hood with ungraded drive train. Its a fun drive and still hauls dirt and gravel for me.

 

[Ian]

Oh, I drive a Toyota Tundra.

Smart man. We drive a Taco and a Sequoia because I don't like working on my own vehicles. Of course there are seven decades of GM products visible from my front door.....

 

[freebullet]

Yotas break too. A fair bit of their parts are dealer only items as well. Know of a few that got junked out due to the dealer only part prices.
I watched a young fella take a new Toyota pickup coyote hunting. The truck was 2 days old & he totaled fairly easy. No other Truck on the same ride was totaled. I lost an exhaust hanger on the suburban. One truck blew a tire. The yota had bent axles and numerous other issues and needed towed away on a flat bed.

My 2 most reliable vehicles ever were a subaru wagon & a Ford pickup. Cheapest & easiest to fix also.
Got over 500,000 miles out of the Subaru on the original motor. It still drove when I got rid of it. She would carry 9 deer back to camp, her nickname was roadkill.
The Ford had 483,000 and ran on propane or gas. Wish I'd kept & rebuilt that one. The kid that bought it broke the engine, tranny, & his friends jaw on the dash in a 4 wheeling escapade he didn't know how to handle.

How many 9mm cases fit in your vehicle?

 

[Intheshop]

Finished this week's work,got kids coming home this w/end.Wife gave me permission to clean the house....?

Do some study on America's "rail" expertise in the very early 20th century.Think street cars N such.Our sophistication in this area still isn't matched in some European countries.Oil and car manufacturers systematically bought up and "parked" our trains.

Another,Washington Carver,Ford,and others had 100% bio fuel 100 years ago.
We've come so far?

I bought wifey an early Toyota 4 runner (used 10k miles).The ones with vinyl interior and solid fr axle.Stick of course.She puts 200k on it.In this time however,they went from utility vehicle to "upscale" whatever it is they are?Anyway sold it for almost what we paid for it...doh.

 

[Intheshop]

Ricin,I'm more comfortable"making/grinding" reamers than using them.I bought a '47 Norton 6x18 hyd surface grinder with mag chuck for 200$.From a local co.Their machinist told me a few years later,the fancy new replacement wasn't as nice?

There was a guy on the Practical machinist site who's family(father) bought Norton's grinding dept. way back?Anyway,we needed a manual for ours so contacted him.Swear,he sends me an original '47 manual,even had greasy original fingerprints.He was very nice in our correspondence.