CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical Urban Grey
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CZ93X62
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The 38 Super is a fine cartridge, I was being facetious with the above text.
Well, kinda.......Sinaloa Cowboy drug principals make a point of buying heavily-customized 1911-series pistols in 38 Super. If you saw the Leonardo DiCaprio film-version of Romeo & Juliet, the sidearms used in that updated (and well-done!) version of the play would be right at home in the waistband of those poison-slinging mojados. Why 38 Super? Because 9 x 19 and 45 ACP are "military only" in Mexico.
Well, kinda.......Sinaloa Cowboy drug principals make a point of buying heavily-customized 1911-series pistols in 38 Super. If you saw the Leonardo DiCaprio film-version of Romeo & Juliet, the sidearms used in that updated (and well-done!) version of the play would be right at home in the waistband of those poison-slinging mojados. Why 38 Super? Because 9 x 19 and 45 ACP are "military only" in Mexico.
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waco
Springfield, Oregon
Ran a couple hundred rounds through the gun today. Lee 124gr TC sized to .358” after PC.
accuracy was great. One failure to feed in the very first mag. Zero issues after that. Super happy with this handgun. Got it home and cleaned it. This was what the first patch looked like. Bore was bright and shinny.
accuracy was great. One failure to feed in the very first mag. Zero issues after that. Super happy with this handgun. Got it home and cleaned it. This was what the first patch looked like. Bore was bright and shinny.
CZ93X62
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I think it is more a matter of familiarity than of obedience to law. The USA adhered to its "loyalty" to the 38 Special for 2 generations after it became obsolete, for similar reasons--familiarity. In Mexico. 9 x 19 and 45 ACP were terra incognita, so Colt, Star, Llama, and others catered to the Latin American market and helped form its preferences. There were a number of off-kilter 9mm autopistol cartridges at the start of the 20th Century that steered around caliber restrictions on military chamberings.
The cartels are a far more powerful entity within Mexico than are Mexico's police agencies or military. The cartel militias have fought and beaten the Mexican Army in detail on many occasions. Indeed, the cartels recruit heavily from trained Mexican Army conscripts after their terms of service are completed. More than a few of the illegal aliens in the USA arrive here at age 15-16 to avoid serving in the Mexican armed forces. At age 16, males in Mexico are all-but-required to enter service. If you have walked across the border at Tijuana or Mexicali, you have likely seen a skinny 16-year-old boy standing at modified attention with a G-3 rifle almost as long as he is tall. Welcome to the Third World.
The cartels are a far more powerful entity within Mexico than are Mexico's police agencies or military. The cartel militias have fought and beaten the Mexican Army in detail on many occasions. Indeed, the cartels recruit heavily from trained Mexican Army conscripts after their terms of service are completed. More than a few of the illegal aliens in the USA arrive here at age 15-16 to avoid serving in the Mexican armed forces. At age 16, males in Mexico are all-but-required to enter service. If you have walked across the border at Tijuana or Mexicali, you have likely seen a skinny 16-year-old boy standing at modified attention with a G-3 rifle almost as long as he is tall. Welcome to the Third World.
Missionary
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Over at the "Other Place" Elfego Baca" has 500+ 38 Super +P New brass for sale.
It isn't very pretty, however it is near 100% catching those 9mm cases.
Petrol & Powder
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The CZ-75 is a fine handgun. All steel, decent sights, large mag capacity, full length slide rails and the slide runs inside the frame rails. The grip is about as close to a Browning Hi-Power as you can get. Good safety and it offers a DA first shot. The overall workmanship of the gun is far above many in its price range.
The platform is a bit "Old School" due to the steel construction and the DA/SA trigger but that is in no way a derogatory comment.
The CZ-75 is an accurate and reliable pistol that will hold up to a lot of hard use. They are a bit heavy for their class in today's environment of alloy and polymer frames but again, that's not a negative comment.
My first hands-on experience with a CZ-75 was with an example from Czechoslovakia (not the Czech Republic) and that was before the iron curtain fell. In those days there were not many high capacity DA 9mm pistols available. The CZ-75 wasn't revolutionary, but it combined a lot of good ideas in one package and it did that well. The Czech's are VERY talented designers and manufacturers of firearms. In fact, I would say the Czech's have proven to be excellent mechanical engineers and skilled technicians in many arenas.
I agree with CZ93x62, the typical Americanized 9mm Luger cartridge is not quite what the European version the 9mm Luger is. When loaded the way it was designed to be loaded, the 9mm is a formidable cartridge. When you're just ringing steel or punching holes in paper, there's a lot of good reasons to back it off the maximum allowable pressure. But when used for self-defense it should be loaded to its maximum allowable pressure. A 115-125 grain 9mm bullet running at the upper end of the acceptable limits is NO JOKE.
The 120 grain TC bullet is probably the best "all-around" bullet if you're casting for the 9mm Luger cartridge. That bullet profile will feed and function in most pistols chambered for the 9mm and makes a good practice round. I have found that when casting for 9mm pistols I must tweak the cartridge for a particular gun to get the reliability needed. For serious social work I would recommend a 115-125 grain JHP running as fast as SAAMI limits will allow. In factory ammo the Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P JHP would be a good place to start.
The platform is a bit "Old School" due to the steel construction and the DA/SA trigger but that is in no way a derogatory comment.
The CZ-75 is an accurate and reliable pistol that will hold up to a lot of hard use. They are a bit heavy for their class in today's environment of alloy and polymer frames but again, that's not a negative comment.
My first hands-on experience with a CZ-75 was with an example from Czechoslovakia (not the Czech Republic) and that was before the iron curtain fell. In those days there were not many high capacity DA 9mm pistols available. The CZ-75 wasn't revolutionary, but it combined a lot of good ideas in one package and it did that well. The Czech's are VERY talented designers and manufacturers of firearms. In fact, I would say the Czech's have proven to be excellent mechanical engineers and skilled technicians in many arenas.
I agree with CZ93x62, the typical Americanized 9mm Luger cartridge is not quite what the European version the 9mm Luger is. When loaded the way it was designed to be loaded, the 9mm is a formidable cartridge. When you're just ringing steel or punching holes in paper, there's a lot of good reasons to back it off the maximum allowable pressure. But when used for self-defense it should be loaded to its maximum allowable pressure. A 115-125 grain 9mm bullet running at the upper end of the acceptable limits is NO JOKE.
The 120 grain TC bullet is probably the best "all-around" bullet if you're casting for the 9mm Luger cartridge. That bullet profile will feed and function in most pistols chambered for the 9mm and makes a good practice round. I have found that when casting for 9mm pistols I must tweak the cartridge for a particular gun to get the reliability needed. For serious social work I would recommend a 115-125 grain JHP running as fast as SAAMI limits will allow. In factory ammo the Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P JHP would be a good place to start.
CZ93X62
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I'll bet. Kinda like Win Silvertips in a Glock 29SF. HANG ON!
That Speer 124 grain GDHP +P loading is what I have in my P-226 and Marie's P-228. My CZ-75B is in 40 S&W caliber, and it's a daisy. CZ had the great good sense to give its barrels a 1-16" twist, so the CZ is VERY lead-friendly. It stacks the Lee 175 grain TCs right on top of each other at 25 yards, 950 FPS with 4.7 grains of WW-231 in W-W brass and WSP primers. This does a very close imitation of my 40 S&W carry loads, the WWB 180 grain JHPs.