Dearth of .41 caliber jacketed bullets for high velocity?

[Elric]

Reality bites. Looking for a .410" jacketed bullet that is rated for greater than 1,400fps (Hornady sez the XTP tops out). Swift has some A Frame that are good for 3,000fps (WOW... just WOW) but that is overkill for deer. Nosler sells their hand rolled bullets in boxes of ... 20...

I do have some 240gr Winchester silvertip .41 Mag (1250fps from 6.5" barrel), but I'd like to kick the tires and light the fires on a T/C Super 16 414 Supermag... If you want to go heavier than 210gr, the only game in town is lead (other than the Win 240gr loaded ammo $$$)... Unfortunately, Sierra discontinued the 220gr FSP, which most likely would have been the BOMB for deer at 1800+.

OTOH, my #263 TP for diddling with a .411 H&I die and a 288gr 412263 just arrived today.

I think I shall have Lūb Monkey unship the .410 H&I, insert this .411 H&I, and jerk the handle a few times.

 

[Pistolero]

WHAT kind of bullets?........

 

[Brad]

Them copper covered lead ones. You know, the ones that can go to pieces easily.

Ditch the jacket, lead does all that will ever need doing in a handgun.

 

[Elric]

Just try one... c'mon, you know you want to....

 

[Brad]

I did use them, when I was a young pup. I haven't shot a game animal with jacketed since 2008. Many deer and a couple of bears, all with bullets I cast.

Jacketed. Oh my.

 

[Elric]

Them copper covered lead ones. You know, the ones that can go to pieces easily.

What good is a 1.610 long case if you can't fill it to the brim with Bullseye, stuff in a 240gr copper jacketed bullet, and pull the trigger?

 

[Pistolero]

I have had no difficulty running .44 and .357 at top end loads with cast, and have done it at
8 BHN many times. No magic.. but look at Ian's signature.

Bill

 

[Brad]

I fill 45-70 cases to the brim with a variety of powders and shoot cast. I can approach 1700 fps with a plain base easily.

 

[freebullet]

I can't bring myself to use gc's in handguns...can't do it. I've noticed the long range handgunners typically using gc's. Once you get past the 1400-1500fps zone plain based performance isn't as easy but, still doable.

I really don't have any love for jacketed handgun bullets. Always figure if I'm spending the money for jax it will be for a rifle. We run 380acp-454 casull & don't own checks or gc molds for any of them.

 

[Ian]

I have had no difficulty running .44 and .357 at top end loads with cast, and have done it at
8 BHN many times. No magic.. but look at Ian's signature.

Bill

And here I was thinking that was lost on everyone...

 

[358156 hp]

People buy bullets? There are companies that make bullets to sell?

I suppose the next thing you'll tell me is that there are companies that bottle and sell water.

 

[Brad]

People buy bullets? There are companies that make bullets to sell?

I suppose the next thing you'll tell me is that there are companies that bottle and sell water.

Ummmmmmm, I hate to tell you but.........

Yes, Hornady, the gas check company, makes bullets on the side.

 

[358156 hp]

Do you think they'll ever catch on?

 

[Brad]

I sure hope so. They would let the less informed shoot more. More shooting means more lead in the berm for me. Face it, I'm greedy.

 

[fiver]

eh they are just full length gas checks that happen to roll over the top a bit.
I always thought the 414 would do very well with a 235-240gr bullet.

you could get you some 40 S&W cases aneal them and push them down to 408 then slide a 180gr core in there use a cut punch and hollow point form them with a red airsoft bb in the nose to look something like a cooled up 240gr XTP bullet.

 

[fiver]

just sayin..

 

[Ian]

So it appears that the .40 S&W might not be useless after all...

Swaging a bullet from cartridge brass must make for some really nice, square, strong bases.

 

[fiver]

it does.
you can go from a flat [2" circle ] 6 pointed star of brass, to a flat point straight line penetrator with the right core and annealing.
or just about anything in between with the right punches.
I used to toss all the 40 brass I found in a pile at the range, now I pick it up and store it in a box for 44 mag future use.
the little model 94 trapper and the Browning 92 both really like shooting the 430 diameter 250gr round flat nose bullets at about 1350-1400 fps.
and I never feel the least bit undergunned when I have one of them in the truck.

 

[freebullet]

Like this here...

Grumpa over yonder made these.

 

[fiver]

yep,yep.
Matt uses the same die set I use.
I just had mine cut .001 larger.