Johnson no buff floor wax! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris

Chris

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No offense to Ben and his time-tested recipe... but has anyone tried the Lars 45-45-10? If you can't get the Johnson wax... which is apparently limited to store shelf inventory and hard to find... would the commercial Lars formula make an acceptable substitute for BLL? I'm not a liquid lube user so I may be naive in asking these questions, please set me straight.
 
Brad

Brad

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That is old school. Ben found a way to make a lube with no need to cook down JPW.

And from a strictly technical point, it is Recluse's 45-45-10 recipe. With a large assist from Fiver as I understand it. Lars simply took a known recipe and made it commercially available.

I consider them pretty similar. BLL seems to dry a bit faster for me and never has a tacky feel to it.
 
Chris

Chris

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As a non-user of liquid lubes I have stumbled across many posts lamenting about the lack of Johnson Wax as a primary ingredient of BLL. Looks complicated. Everyone agrees the stuff is the nuts though.

Thanks Brad, I guess if I ever want to try a liquid lube as an experiment it might be simpler for me to buy Lars stuff. I will buy a can of Johnson liquid wax if I ever see it on a shelf... you never know I might love a good liquid lube.
 
Brad

Brad

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BLL has a place. For low velocity handgun loads it is quick and simple. Kinda nice as an overcoat on noses of some bullets too.
45-45-10 from Lars is quick and simple. And it works too.

Some of us just have to tinker......
 
Chris

Chris

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I sure get the tinkering. I guess I'll try some... any reason not to expect reasonable results on large caliber rifle at 1300-1800? Assuming good fitment. etc. and an open mind? Any cautions? Not asking you to fill in for my lack of reading, just is there a good chance I can have some joy in these velocities, and any simple caveats?
 
Brad

Brad

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Ben uses it as an overcoat on about every bullet he shoots. He lubes with BR first, then BLL. His groups speak volumes.

I know at least one guy here has used 3 coats of BLL on rifle bullets at over 2K fps with good results. Dont remember who it was.
 
Chris

Chris

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Thank you for the confidence, I'll make my own experiments and report back. Will be fun and possibly save a bunch of fuss with the couple molds that can be shot as-cast.
Brad said:
This is the definitive thread on BLL. Pretty much straight from the horses mouth

http://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/bens-liquid-lube.16/
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Thank you for the confidence, I'll make my own experiments and report back. Will be fun and possibly save a bunch of fuss with the couple molds that can be shot as-cast. You guys are great about filling in my gaps in knowledge!
 
waco

waco

Springfield, Oregon
35 Shooter is the guy running BLL up to 2300fps.
I myself have used 3 coats on a 165gr RD bullet in my 30-30 at 2000fps with good accuracy and zero leading.
It's my go to light handgun bullet lube too. It just works.
 
Chris

Chris

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Thanks. Well, I just have to try this... been hearing about it and it would make shooting life better and easier if it works for me.
 
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freebullet

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That price makes me feel even worse that Mr. Khornet wouldn't let me pay him for the 2 cans he gave me.

Liquid gold in those cans and I didn't even realize.
 
fiver

fiver

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I run a modified version of 45/45 lube in my 8 mauser and in my 25-20 and in my 45-70.
I probably wouldn't in my 25-20 but I don't have a sizer for it and now I see no reason to get one.
I guess I should try it in a pistol maybe.
 
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35 shooter

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Just developed a load in my .308 @2450fps. with 3 coats of BLL for lube.
Shoots under an inch @105 yds if i weigh bullets, 1.5" or less if i don't, usually much less.

I've used nothing but BLL for over a year now with the same performance i get with Ben's Red.

There's a thread here in the lube section where Ben used Lundmark liquid wax for a substitute for the BLL. I haven't tried it as i have plenty of JLW on hand, but if Ben says it works....it works.

I've run BLL much faster in my rifles as far as speed and have never had a leading problem. It doesn't gum up my dies like straight alox will and is so easy to make and use, and dries so fast, i've gotten addicted to it.
I usually give it 2 hrs. to air dry between coats, but a fan will get it done in 10 to 20 min. between coats.
 
KHornet

KHornet

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I used 45-45-10 for quite awhile, and liked it. Like Bens Red & BLL, and on multi
groove bullets am very satisfied with 2 coats of BLL. Never tried 3 coats, may have
to do that one of these days on some lee multi groove 9MM's, even tho 2 coats works
just fine.
 
David Reiss

David Reiss

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Paraffin will dissolve in acetone & kerosene, this would seem work the same way added to liquid Alox. Has anybody tried it? It would so much cheaper.
 
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35 shooter

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KHornet said:
I used 45-45-10 for quite awhile, and liked it. Like Bens Red & BLL, and on multi
groove bullets am very satisfied with 2 coats of BLL. Never tried 3 coats, may have
to do that one of these days on some lee multi groove 9MM's, even tho 2 coats works
just fine.
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Yeah 2 coats has been enough for my standard 45 colt loads in my derringer, i haven't tried three coats for handguns yet...might be neccesary for magnum type loads.

I've often wondered if 2 coats might be enough for rifle loads, but started out with 3 coats and just stuck with it when it worked.
 
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