Learning to paint OCP
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fiver
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I sometimes wonder if thought is given to how the prey sees.
many birds have eyes larger than their brains and see colors in the ultraviolet spectrum.
duck hunters go all ga-ga over certain patterns but don't realize the UV glow they give off.
I have stood in the taller yellowing canes wearing a purple shirt that the other hunters could easily see but the birds could not because of how it and the surrounding foliage appears to them in their light spectrum.
I had to conceal my face of course because of the glow skin gives off to them.
the tweed jacket in the back round of shimmering moving water would appear as a soft brown/black blur much like a bush or waving grass in the fall.
if a few minutes elapsed before the fisherman started casting he would just become part of the back round, and as far as a fishes memory was concerned he was always there.
many birds have eyes larger than their brains and see colors in the ultraviolet spectrum.
duck hunters go all ga-ga over certain patterns but don't realize the UV glow they give off.
I have stood in the taller yellowing canes wearing a purple shirt that the other hunters could easily see but the birds could not because of how it and the surrounding foliage appears to them in their light spectrum.
I had to conceal my face of course because of the glow skin gives off to them.
the tweed jacket in the back round of shimmering moving water would appear as a soft brown/black blur much like a bush or waving grass in the fall.
if a few minutes elapsed before the fisherman started casting he would just become part of the back round, and as far as a fishes memory was concerned he was always there.
Pistolero
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My favorite camo pattern is Predator Fall Grey. REALLY works when hunting in
Colorado of Wyoming, but works well other places too. The key concept is that all the white
winds up looking like HOLES where you are seeing through the "brush", so it really
breaks up the outlines.
http://predatorcamo.com/#fall-gray
http://predatorcamo.com/patterns-1/#fall-gray
Bill
Colorado of Wyoming, but works well other places too. The key concept is that all the white
winds up looking like HOLES where you are seeing through the "brush", so it really
breaks up the outlines.
http://predatorcamo.com/#fall-gray
http://predatorcamo.com/patterns-1/#fall-gray
Bill
Ian
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That looks pretty effective, Bill. Almost like cloaking technology, and it really breaks up the outline.
Here's something I just stumbled upon, a tutorial on one way (not 100% accurate, but pretty decent) to do this.
http://www.instructables.com/id/MultiCam-Camo-Paint-Your-AR-15/?ALLSTEPS
One thing I noticed here and on the two "best" (IMO) utoob vids is they stripe khaki with green and nutmeg with olive. I don't see the pattern that way, what I see is khaki blended with medium brown (this gives shades of pink where they blend) and a pale yellow green blended with a medium-dark blue-green. Also, everyone seems to skip the step of making a combination of hard and soft edges between the greens, but not the brown khaki. And where's that seventh color? The dove grey?
Here's something I just stumbled upon, a tutorial on one way (not 100% accurate, but pretty decent) to do this.
http://www.instructables.com/id/MultiCam-Camo-Paint-Your-AR-15/?ALLSTEPS
One thing I noticed here and on the two "best" (IMO) utoob vids is they stripe khaki with green and nutmeg with olive. I don't see the pattern that way, what I see is khaki blended with medium brown (this gives shades of pink where they blend) and a pale yellow green blended with a medium-dark blue-green. Also, everyone seems to skip the step of making a combination of hard and soft edges between the greens, but not the brown khaki. And where's that seventh color? The dove grey?
Pistolero
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I know it is not part of official Multicam, but I still think that a certain amount of white or very, very light blue
in a few larger splotches, intentionally located on the straight edges will make those straight edges look like they
stop with "hole" where you can see through the brush to the "sky" and then the edge restarts.
Basically, this means a white/lt blue splotch on top of handguard or or bottom or top of stock wrapping over
onto both sides. This would make that long, straight edge have an apparent hole in it from either side.
Not sure how important the hard edges vs soft edges are as far as camo effectiveness - but if you are intending to
match the actual pattern of Multicam, then you have to match what they have.
With the other colors, it will possibly look like it is blending with the background, but I had never even considered
that white would be good in camo except in snow, but it can be very important especially in the woods where you
can see through the trees and brush a little bit, so your are expecting to see holes, so a hole means "nothing is
there".
Bill
in a few larger splotches, intentionally located on the straight edges will make those straight edges look like they
stop with "hole" where you can see through the brush to the "sky" and then the edge restarts.
Basically, this means a white/lt blue splotch on top of handguard or or bottom or top of stock wrapping over
onto both sides. This would make that long, straight edge have an apparent hole in it from either side.
Not sure how important the hard edges vs soft edges are as far as camo effectiveness - but if you are intending to
match the actual pattern of Multicam, then you have to match what they have.
With the other colors, it will possibly look like it is blending with the background, but I had never even considered
that white would be good in camo except in snow, but it can be very important especially in the woods where you
can see through the trees and brush a little bit, so your are expecting to see holes, so a hole means "nothing is
there".
Bill
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Ian
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Bill, for me the appeal of Mulicam is in the challenge of copying a pattern that I happen to like very much in and of itself, the actual "camo" benefit (though highly effective where I live) is secondary. I have just begun to understand from a practical standpoint the difference between a blending type pattern and and something that gives illusion of transparency and depth. This sort of thing is fascinating to me.
Pistolero
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I thought that you were more interested in making a duplicate of a VERY complex pattern rather than
the most effective camo effect. Certainly nothing to criticize in that choice of a project.
It is interesting how a color which seems massively out of place, like white, can "blow a hole through"
a solid object as far as the observed appearance. It think you put good words on what is happening
with two different approaches. One attempts to blend in while the other is actually trying to make
it appear that you can look through the object, making parts of the object seem to be transparent -
a very amazing effect, accomplished more easily than I would have imagined.
Bill
the most effective camo effect. Certainly nothing to criticize in that choice of a project.
It is interesting how a color which seems massively out of place, like white, can "blow a hole through"
a solid object as far as the observed appearance. It think you put good words on what is happening
with two different approaches. One attempts to blend in while the other is actually trying to make
it appear that you can look through the object, making parts of the object seem to be transparent -
a very amazing effect, accomplished more easily than I would have imagined.
Bill
Here's a pretty interestingarticles about camo, much like the purple shirt while bird hunting!
http://whitetail.com/camo1.html
http://whitetail.com/camo1.html
Pistolero
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Very good article, and great pictures. Interesting - he comes to the same conclusion that I did.
This is why I use Predator Fall Grey, I am convinced that the "Army friend" is exactly correct,
almost all the std camo patterns are too dark, not enough very light tan or white. The white/lt tan
or lt blue at a distance looks like a hole and eliminates that whole edge, creating an irregular
edge at the edge of the white, way different than your actual shape.
When I started looking at Predator Fall Grey, it was like a light bulb came on....... to me, you have
to have large splotches of a very light color, white or nearly white, to make the outline break up
from a distance.
Bill
This is why I use Predator Fall Grey, I am convinced that the "Army friend" is exactly correct,
almost all the std camo patterns are too dark, not enough very light tan or white. The white/lt tan
or lt blue at a distance looks like a hole and eliminates that whole edge, creating an irregular
edge at the edge of the white, way different than your actual shape.
When I started looking at Predator Fall Grey, it was like a light bulb came on....... to me, you have
to have large splotches of a very light color, white or nearly white, to make the outline break up
from a distance.
Bill