Lube eating bullets....
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Yessir, that Ly #429421 is a greedy critter. So is its 45 caliber counterpart (#454424). Some years back I had the use of a SAECO #021 mould, their .459" 405 grain spitzer. If not the biggest lube consumer in my career per bullet, it would be a close 2nd place. It shot well in my Ruger #1 x 45/70.
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freebullet
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Mmmmm, & I thought my 454-308k used a bunch of lube.
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Some of the black powder bullet designs have generous lube capacities, and that can assist greatly in keeping fouling soft.
I haven't done a whole lot of BPCR shooting, but enough to learn that proper lube and its amount can be critical to extending performance length. Example (you KNEW I would do this)......Win 73 in 44/40 WCF, vintage 1897. W-W cases, CCI 350 primers, 36 grains of Goex 3F Flaming Dirt compressed about 1/16".
Bullet #1--Lee 200 grain round flat nose, sized .429", 30/1 Pb/Sn. 2 shallow, skinny lube grooves filled with SPG. This bullet has no shoulder, much like Lyman #427098. Accuracy went south at Round #4, Round #7 tumbled. Game over. The combined influences of GFD, very low humidity (10%-12% that day) and minimal lube capacity messed things up in short order.
I cleaned out the coal mine, and went to Bullet #2--SAECO #446, with far more generous lube capacity, same primer/case/load/lube/alloy. #446 also has something of a "scraper" shoulder on its leading edge. Accuracy stayed constant for 15 rounds, equivalent to that given in this same carbine with smokeless loads (1.25"-1.50" @ 50 yards). At Round #16, accuracy started to fall off just a bit, but i surely could have stayed in battle for a time with such loads. I finished with Round #20 well within the radius of the first 5-shot dispersions. My conclusions--with The Holy Black, lube quantity matters--and bullet design might play a role as well. I knew going in that SPG was good stuff for the purpose--Mr. Garbe knows a whole lot more about BP shooting and its nuances by accident than I'll ever know on purpose.
A round-about way of suggesting that if someone was inclined to try The Holy Black in their 44 Special or 44 Magnum rollerpistole, that a Lyman #429421 with its grease gallery filled up with SPG might not be a bad place to start. Those decadent lube capacities can have their uses, IOW--and a snowplow in a coal mine might not hurt, either.
I haven't done a whole lot of BPCR shooting, but enough to learn that proper lube and its amount can be critical to extending performance length. Example (you KNEW I would do this)......Win 73 in 44/40 WCF, vintage 1897. W-W cases, CCI 350 primers, 36 grains of Goex 3F Flaming Dirt compressed about 1/16".
Bullet #1--Lee 200 grain round flat nose, sized .429", 30/1 Pb/Sn. 2 shallow, skinny lube grooves filled with SPG. This bullet has no shoulder, much like Lyman #427098. Accuracy went south at Round #4, Round #7 tumbled. Game over. The combined influences of GFD, very low humidity (10%-12% that day) and minimal lube capacity messed things up in short order.
I cleaned out the coal mine, and went to Bullet #2--SAECO #446, with far more generous lube capacity, same primer/case/load/lube/alloy. #446 also has something of a "scraper" shoulder on its leading edge. Accuracy stayed constant for 15 rounds, equivalent to that given in this same carbine with smokeless loads (1.25"-1.50" @ 50 yards). At Round #16, accuracy started to fall off just a bit, but i surely could have stayed in battle for a time with such loads. I finished with Round #20 well within the radius of the first 5-shot dispersions. My conclusions--with The Holy Black, lube quantity matters--and bullet design might play a role as well. I knew going in that SPG was good stuff for the purpose--Mr. Garbe knows a whole lot more about BP shooting and its nuances by accident than I'll ever know on purpose.
A round-about way of suggesting that if someone was inclined to try The Holy Black in their 44 Special or 44 Magnum rollerpistole, that a Lyman #429421 with its grease gallery filled up with SPG might not be a bad place to start. Those decadent lube capacities can have their uses, IOW--and a snowplow in a coal mine might not hurt, either.
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The large grease grooves got their start in the olden days when the most effective bullet lube was beeswax mixed with either tallow, or pump grease. I think tallow was probably used primarily with black powder, and good ole pump grease made its mark in the early days of smokeless. Its hard to tell exactly, there's very little mention of bullet lubes in the early books, except for rifles, and everybody seemed to use their own brew back then. Kind of like being here, right now 
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INFIDEL!
But I still use bacon grease for my rounds on the shelf dedicated for one way tickets to hell. And as a side note they sure smell good when going bang!
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freebullet
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That's pretty close to my favorite shade so I guess, I kinda like the smurf bullets. Of course, fouling & accuracy could change things though.