Mould recommendations for Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
I can recommend the RCBS 255 grain 45 SWC PB bullet. Was the first and only bullet mould I owned for the Ruger BH 45 LC, until I got in the Group Buy for Miha's clone of the RCBS 270 SAA with HP options. Was also the first HP bullet I owned. Did very little testing with the HP's, but the Conic cavity did seem more accurate than the Penta. The RCBS mould will drop at .452, while the Mi-Hec will be closer to .454 with the same alloy.
 

Paden

Active Member
The one I like is pictured in my avatar photo and is #2 below. It was inspired by a desire for a good heavy for caliber shooter specifically for my New Model Blackhawk. I called it the 45-350-NMB. The mould is Accurate #454350B. Montana Bullet Works is in possession of the first mould. It's proven to be a good shooter for me. With Lyman #2 it comes in at ~347 grains checked and lubed.
Here it is pictured with the three bullets it was loosely based on:
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#1 is a 285 grain RCBS-270-SAA, #3 is a 315 grain LBT "Keith" SWC, #4 is a 310 grain RCBS 82083.

Sized .452, the LBT is a hair too long for my chambers due to the wide forward drive band; it requires a VERY firm force fit. My bullet engages the throat taper, but doesn't ever require any pressure to chamber. Both the RCBS's were pretty good shooters, but I could never get the SAA PB to not lead just a tiny bit (my bore has a bit of thread crush). None of the three were quite as accurate as the "350-NMB". My gun likes it.
 
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Creeker

Well-Known Member
The 454190 is an excellent bullet for what it is. 7 grains or so of HP38/WW231 does most things needing done.
 

S Mac

Sept. 10, 2021 Steve left us. You are missed.
Still haven't received my .455 sizer. i keep hearing good things about WW231, need to find some.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
LGS had WW-231 in stock, last time I was there. Picked up a pound to try.....was hoping for Bulleye. Shop owner just chuckled and recommended WW-231, so I picked up a pound. Week later, he calls back and said he got a shipment of Bulleye....so I haven't tried the 231, as yet.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I have had very good groups with 9 gr of Unique under a 250 grain Lyman 454424. This is a touch too hot for a
SAA, but is fine in the BH, and not an unpleasant load. About 950 fps or so.

Brad - what is "Surplus 105 powder"? Is there a Vita-whatchamacallit N105 surplus
equivalent?

Bill
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
It is supposed to be similar to Accurate 5. Got it about 20 years ago from Jeff Bartlett. A nice ball powder. Shoulda bought more. I don't load it in anything but 45 Colt to make it last. Would be very good in 9 mm which is what I think it came from as it is a pull down powder.
I sure miss the days of surplus powder. Shoulda got more WC 820 too.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
OK, not one I had heard of. I have a bunch of WC820. Tried some in .45 Colt today....... a bit iffy results. At starting level
I had trouble getting the first case out. Turns out there was unburned powder jammed 3/4 of the way down the OUTSIDE
of the case, wedging it into the cyl. ?????????? THAT is a new trick. WC820 is an ultrafine ball powder, and somehow it
flowed out and around the case. Strange effect. It only happened with 454424 (250 gr). I tried the same load (16 gr) with
285 Keith and 300 Keith, neither of those did it, must have had enough weight to get the pressure up high enough.

Bill
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I had some issues like that with WC820 in 44 mag. It needs lots of neck tension and a firm crimp. If the bullet starts moving before pressure gets up there then it burns poorly in my opinion. I think it is heavily coated and that causes the trouble.
It is an excellent powder, I use it mostly in 357 mag these days.
I have gotten to a point where I just don't want much over 950 fps in my 45 Colt BH, the recoil just isn't very fun. That big of a bullet at 950 is still a healthy load for most anything.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Wow, that's quite a trick, Bill. True Blue, which is fine as frog hairs, will do that a little bit in the .38 Special. It can also bind up a worn powder measure drum.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I only run WC 820 in my Lyman 55 measure or the Dillon. They are good with it. My RCBS binds horribly as powder gets between rotor and body and locks it up tight.
Those really fine ball powders can be a pain that way. AA9 is the same way.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
thought I replied this already... I started with a Lee 250 SWC and all I have used so far. It has given me some great results and yet to try something else. I do have a 255 KT, and intend to work with it. But the Lee has actually given me very good results with about all loads I have tried!
 

alamogunr

Member
It is supposed to be similar to Accurate 5. Got it about 20 years ago from Jeff Bartlett. A nice ball powder. Shoulda bought more. I don't load it in anything but 45 Colt to make it last. Would be very good in 9 mm which is what I think it came from as it is a pull down powder.
I sure miss the days of surplus powder. Shoulda got more WC 820 too.

I don't get over here too often but this morning I've been playing catch-up. I too bought a jug of the #105 powder from Bartlett. It sat unused for a long time and when I finally got around to trying it, I loaded it in .45ACP per AA#5 data. To play it safe I fired the sample loads in the ACP cylinder for the Freedom 83. Good thing I did. The first shots registered about(been awhile) 1200fps. The loads at high midrange according to the manual went over 1300fps. I fired one cartridge in the Kimber. Nothing broke but I have no idea how far the ejected brass went. Needless to say, I pulled the bullets on the rest and did some research. As best I could determine from responses on another forum and talking to Jeff Bartlett, my #105 is closer to Bullseye. When loaded to Bullseye levels, everything is normal.

Admittedly, .45ACP is not .45 Colt, but I thought that I should point out my experience. If anyone wants a lot #, I will go to the shop and get that information.
 
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9.3X62AL

Guest
Most of my milsurp powders have been used up. Their utility for me has been all over the map, ranging from next-to-useless (#107) all the way to MOST EXCELLENT (fast-lot WC-852 and WC-844). No experience with #105. WC-820 has been about an "8" for me, considering #107 as a "1" and WC-844 as a "10". My lot of WC-820 runs very close to AA-9 in outcomes, which is what Jeff Bartlett indicated. I treated it much like WW-296, only using it in higher-strength applications and starting from 10% below AA-9 data. It has excelled for me with jacketed-bullet work in 30 Carbine (its original "home") and in J-word 357 Magnum loads. It became my go-to fuel for 357 Magnum practice loads using the 125 grain JHP when those were specified by my shop about 6 years ago. Like WW-296, WC-820 depends heavily on "resistance" to do its best work--heavy-for-caliber bullets, jacketed construction, good fit, HOT ignition (mag primers), firm crimp, higher operating pressures. Subtract a few of those variables, and WW-296/H-110/WC-820 will disappoint you. AA-9 allegedly is not so finicky, but I haven't used enough of the OEM stuff to say one way or another. The fuel did fine in my three 357s with the 125 JHPs, matching the Federal #357B "FBI Load" and its 1425 FPS with several commercial 125 grain JHPs. My view--all of these coated spherical fuels can do good work in a narrow window, but Alliant 2400 does just as well in those same venues and has TONS more utility in many other venues and is nowhere near as persnickety or demanding. Finally on topic--WC-820 will not see use in any 45 Colt loads I come up with.
 

Longone

Active Member
After reading some of these threads on the Ruger 45 Colt I thought it might be time to revisit mine. The cylinder bore finish on the ACP cylinder looks like a rock was dragged through them. I drove a bullet through one with a wood dowel and it measures .4505, just a wee bit too small. Is it worth sending back to Ruger or should I send it to someone to ream the cylinder?
 

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alamogunr

Member
You might consider sending the cylinder to DougGuy to get the throat reamed. You can find him over on Castboolits. I'm surprised that someone hasn't spoken up already.

I'm assuming that your measurement was for the throat. If the finish you were talking about was the chamber, I don't know what you can do about that.
 

Longone

Active Member
Yes, that is the throat end of the cylinder. I do wonder if Ruger even bothered to finish ream it with it being so rough.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
I can see where Ruger would just say it's in spec. I did send a revolver back to Ruger for a buggered throat and they did replace the cylinder. Got it back in great shape just short of a year later. :eek:

I've not used DougGuy myself but I have heard good things about his work so I agree with Alamo, were it mine it would be off to him.
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Longone

Active Member
I thought I would at least give Ruger a chance to fix this if they can do it in a reasonable time frame. Sent them a e-mail yesterday explaining the problem and hopefully if they respond I'll be able to attach a pic so they can see the cylinder. If they can't or the wait time is just too long I'll contact DougGuy and get it sorted out. Thanks for the heads up.

Longone