Got the crimping die from Brad, thanks Brad.
Setup and crimped some 230TC loads I had seated to .468, worked fine. Cases were Starline. Dug out the Chronograph and tested a few. I'm about to give up on Universal in this combo. I had to go nearly a full grain over Ian's load to reach 825fps. Since W-W whitebox hardball runs 825 in this deep throated barrel, it's dropping roughly 25 fps from nominal. 5.4 HP-38 matches the 825 with nearly the same velocity drop over book value. The fact that Universal is so far off is getting spooky. Even if the chronograph was off, the other two loads should be affected about the same and they weren't.
Only showed about 10-15 fps difference in lubed bullets compared to PC. Had some leading, but I think that's coming from the PC bullets, this barrel has been bad about that. Just to be sure I seated and crimped a soft un-PC'd bullet and measured it after pulling it with an impact puller. No change in diameter, so my cases aren't sizing the bullet down. I use a NOE expander and I'm getting .450 inside case diameter before seating. I don't have pin gages, but used Starrett telescope gages, Small Hole gages and Micrometer as well as a very accurate 8" Mitutoyo caliper. All agreed on the .450 I.D.
I'll play a bit more with HP-38, 800X and maybe longshot to see how they compare.