New Ruger LC Carbine in .45 ACP

Brad

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What is it good for? Having fun? I bet it is a blast to shoot clays and cans with.

I don’t plan to buy one but I don’t think I would turn down a chance to shoot one.

We also need to remember that people over 60 are not likely the intended market. Heck, not many guns are marketed towards those over 60.
 
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waco

Springfield, Oregon
I bought my wife a Ruger PC9 years ago. Fun little carbine. My first thought was this would be real cool in 45ACP or 10mm.
I bet it is a fun one to shoot. I probably won’t get one but wouldn’t turn down the chance to put a couple mags through it.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
When a 9,40,or45 semi carbine come out and folks ask what it's good for .......I just smile and think to myself, the MP 5 and 1927 Thompson weren't stellar performance tools , 1 was built as cheap and simple as possible with like 2 precision parts and the other is heavy clunky and the big drum just enhanced that , but 1000s of GIs probably owed their lives to 1 .

230 gr at 1kfps isn't a trifling matter especially on the business end . Just saying ya know ?
 

Petrol & Powder

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Comparing the Ruger LC carbine to a 1927 Thompson or H&K MP5 sidesteps the criticism of the Ruger LC.

Yes, the Ruger LC in 45 ACP is a semi-auto, pistol caliber carbine, but that configuration is not the source of the criticism. The criticism is all the “tactic-cool” crap they’re swaddled that simple blow back platform with to make it look neat.

The criticism is not that it is a semi-auto carbine chambered in 45 ACP, that platform actually has some use. The criticism is that it is $1009 worth of Mall Ninja bling wrapped around a pistol caliber carbine.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
....The criticism is all the “tactic-cool” crap they’re swaddled that simple blow back platform with to make it look neat....

And I think it exacerbates the annoyance, because an auto-pistol-cartridge carbine is NOT a terrible idea, it's just too decked out with cool crap, otherwise, I think even I'd be tempted. Might make a viable homestead gun doing varmint-duty for a wide range thereof, to include the bipedal ones.

A 45 would be great, but a 9mm would be one cheap gun to load for and probably wouldn't ever have to worry about brass being put on the back burner on the production schedule. If it were a 45, I'd spend more time searching for brass than shooting it. A "nine?" Let 'er fly.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
What is it good for? Having fun? I bet it is a blast to shoot clays and cans with.

I don’t plan to buy one but I don’t think I would turn down a chance to shoot one.

We also need to remember that people over 60 are not likely the intended market. Heck, not many guns are marketed towards those over 60.
Yeah black stamped semi’s everywhere.

Long live blue steel and lumber.
 
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Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Having said that I had a 1927 back in the 70’s. No thanks. But I would like a 45 semi automatic carbine.
What would be the velocity gain in a 16” bbl?
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Yeah not that impressive. I couldn’t get BBTI to open when I looked it up. Your link works though.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
My suggestion was that aesthetics rarely make up the usefulness . If it fills a gap and is functional and hits close to where it's pointed it'll sell . See High Point Carbine for more specifics . Those things are ugly even by black rifle ninja standards . I don't want to spend a grand on ugly but I'm not likely to spend a grand on blued steel and walnut either .
 

fiver

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IIRC i gave 150$ for the 9mm carbine i got.
it shoots anything i have put in it and it's now considered the awww crap trash those gun.. stuff like rounds with .98 oal and a big flat nose... whatever.
 
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Reloader762

Active Member
OK, somebody said it!

There it is! I don't exactly know what a HiPoint costs, but I've heard good things about some of them and they're cheap. That they are ugly is excusable.

Not at $1k.
On average, the price on the Hi Point carbines runs around $300 to $350 depending on caliber. That's the price range I gave for my 45 ACP and 10 MM. Buds Gun Shop has about a good a price as any with free shipping https://www.budsgunshop.com/search.php/type/rifles/manu/227 Ugly doesn't bother me as long as the gun shoots, which I can honestly say I've been impressed with the accuracy of my two carbines.
 
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L Ross

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Nope, just cannot abide ugly. I have inherited a slight artistic streak on my Father's side. I have a bit of OCD as well. Not debilitating, just that I find imperfections annoying and my eye is drawn to them. Ugly guns are one giant imperfection. Then there is the whole Mall Ninja, Hollyweird, violence prone, video game culture that curdles the milk in my Cheerios.
Here is my opinion and it is not worth all that much. There are target guns, and sporting guns, and personal protection guns, and rough and tumble guns that lean in the corner by the back door just in case a varmint needs civilizing. Lastly, there are fightin' guns, for fighting men, of fighting age, training, and physical ability. I guess I don't give a wet poop what those guns look like because in that case form should follow function. What ever attributes enhance the weapon's function to aid our fighting men to triumph in combat I applaud. But to build a toy so over grown boys can pretend to be bad ass pew pew nuisances at the range is off putting.
Bill Ruger hired Len Brownell to design the stock of the Model 77 for a reason. Bill understood aesthetics and that aesthetics need not detract from function. Thank God Bill did not live to see the disturbing products his namesake company is offering today, in an effort to pander to a culture neither he nor I understand.
Now for those youngsters that would reflexively label me a Fudd, they would be wrong. My position is the the 2A was a guarantee that the citizenry never be denied the possession of arms period. If they want to own an ugly gun, and play silly games, and fantasize about mortal combat, or just want to see how many empty casings they can keep in the air at one time, so be it. But don't be surprised if you see me rolling my eyes like a teenage girl when I see them doing it.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
...But to build a toy so over grown boys can pretend to be bad ass pew pew nuisances at the range is off putting...

That one is HUGE, but as a Vet, I try my best to not rant about it.

BUT, if you wanna PLAY badass, go to a recruiting office, sign up and take the good with the bad, take the SUCK with the FUN. I promise the price you pay for the real "fun" is much more than a dent in your pay check and far, far more than 99% of the posers will fail to scrape up the "scratch" to settle such a debt.

@L Ross , I do agree with that absolutely, 100% and thank you for saying it.
 
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Brad

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How do we know the motivation of the buyer? I didn’t buy lever actions because I wanted to play cowboy, I bought them because they appealed to me and fit my shooting style/desires.
I won’t be buying this new rifle as I just don’t need one buy damn, I bet they are fun to shoot. To me it is similar to a pistol cartridge lever action, great for shooting away some stress by fighting off marauding pop cans and the like.
I don’t see many at my local range “playing badass” but I do see quite a variety of guns. The gun doesn’t dictate the character of the shooter. I sure don’t change who I am when I go from Glock to S&W 624. Pulling out my Ruger Blackhawks don’t make me a cowboy wannabe.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
How do we know the motivation of the buyer? I didn’t buy lever actions because I wanted to play cowboy, I bought them because they appealed to me and fit my shooting style/desires...

Fair enough. I'm not making a blanket accusation. I'm making an observation regarding a seemingly significant segment which I personally find irritating. I don't assume that everyone with an AR is going to shoot up a populated venue or that someone with a single-action or lever is a cowboy either.

I'm not saying that anyone to whom this gun appeals is like that. Of course I didn't say they're not either, but there is a large population of those folks and my point is that they very likely influence the market more than those who are NOT like that.

In the same vein, and as you allude to, on purpose or not , the Cowboy Action crowd really fueled the market for some things I like a lot, although I am neither a real cowboy nor a pretend cowboy. Even in that market, you and I were probably not who the manufacturers were targeting and not all who liked/like levers and single actions are "cowboys." Cowboy-Action shooters playing cowboy do NOT annoy me, so maybe I'm being unfair.

No offense meant to anyone who wants one of these or likes the looks of it. I do not concede regarding how I feel about certain posers, but it does not mean that I think everyone who owns a surplus canteen and canteen pouch is a poser either. There's much more to it than is efficient to post in a forum among those who seem like-minded along a certain vein, yet are able to unapologetically maintain their own individuality and convictions.
 
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Brad

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True, nor is it an indicator we are obligated to ignore.
That is true.
The gun alone doesn’t tell me much. The shooting gloves, plate carrier, and thigh holster tend to tell me more.
Face it, many of us are sorta firearm snobs. We like what we like. Me personally, I love lever actions. However, I don’t want a saddle ring I I detest the large loop levers and see no need to lace around the lever. Just my opinions. Oh, I don’t like scout scope setups either.