Old man and old cartridges
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35 shooter
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Now that i think about it, the most "current modern" cartridge i've loaded for is a 7/08.
Never really thought about it before.
Guess i remain unimpressed with a lot of the "newer" stuff out there.
Never really thought about it before.
Guess i remain unimpressed with a lot of the "newer" stuff out there.
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
I'm definitely not against progress. There have been a lot of improvements in things such as optics and specialized cartridges. But really, how much better armed is a hunter/shooter today vs 100 years ago. What can't be done with a good 7 or 8x57 or -06/08, a good 12 or 16 gauge, and a .44/.45 DA revolver or a 1911? Add a 45/70 for the really big ugly stuff and you got it covered.
Like I said, not against new stuff, and if you want something and your kids aren't hungry then go for it. I just try to cut through the advertising hype to determine what/where the "better" is in a lot of stuff.
Like I said, not against new stuff, and if you want something and your kids aren't hungry then go for it. I just try to cut through the advertising hype to determine what/where the "better" is in a lot of stuff.
earlmck
Member
Cast bullet people. Definite advantage to small/medium capacity cases and long necks for our purposes. The new cartridges tend toward high capacity Krackenboomers, and high capacity is not a benefit for our low to medium velocities.
I'm not against new stuff if it works for me. Latest acquisition a .327 Federal -- a 32/20 processed with carbide sizer. Cool!
I'm not against new stuff if it works for me. Latest acquisition a .327 Federal -- a 32/20 processed with carbide sizer. Cool!
oscarflytyer
Well-Known Member
Have to chuckle hard at this! My most current is 300 BO. BUT, only to get a close range AR platform round that performs at or less than the 30-30 Win! And give me 20-30 30-30 unimproved rounds up close and personal in the pig woods!
An aside, I must admit the 6.5 Creed really tugs at my heart strings. Biggest draw for me is that it is a 6.5 - which is ~125+ yrs old! I like the bullet. Creed case is just an updated launching platform!
But at the end of the day, I really am fond of big fat lead thingies that fly slow and put a smack down on the poor thing at the other end, all while not beating my poor old body and rebuilt shoulder black and blue. Reason I tubed a very nice 101 to 28 ga and bought to vintage 16 gauges!
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
I wish I could afford guns in every caliber, and I really enjoy (usually) reading about everyone's experiences with new guns. But given my limited access to a range and the time to go shooting when I do go it is to relax and usually its with a S&W M10 in .38. No magnums, nothing I have to pick up brass off the ground (or leave it to the range owner), not hard to reload.
I kind of envy you guys that really get into experimenting and reloading and long range shooting and short range reduced load shooting and action shooting and cowboy shooting and such but right now my path is leading in a slightly different direction and I'll stick with the basics. I enjoy everyone else's experiences vicariously.
I kind of envy you guys that really get into experimenting and reloading and long range shooting and short range reduced load shooting and action shooting and cowboy shooting and such but right now my path is leading in a slightly different direction and I'll stick with the basics. I enjoy everyone else's experiences vicariously.
KHornet
Well-Known Member
It is interesting that we could do very well indeed with only ctgs that are
over (lets say) 70 ears, and not have a weapon shooting cartridges that
shoots ammo less than 25-30 years old. In that last time frame a lot of
super duper ctgs have come and gone. We have a tendency to respond
strongly to what the gun makers and gun writers promote.
Paul
over (lets say) 70 ears, and not have a weapon shooting cartridges that
shoots ammo less than 25-30 years old. In that last time frame a lot of
super duper ctgs have come and gone. We have a tendency to respond
strongly to what the gun makers and gun writers promote.
Paul
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
Love the .41 mag. But if I have my dates right its as old as I am, and people call me an old man!
I look at cartridges like I look at music. There are some classics from every era that will never fade, and a whole bunch of music that has its brief time and is rarely heard later.
I look at cartridges like I look at music. There are some classics from every era that will never fade, and a whole bunch of music that has its brief time and is rarely heard later.
waco
Springfield, Oregon
Over 10 years before I was a twinkle in my old mans eye!
Guess that makes ME the whipper snapper.....
RBHarter
West Central AR
I've become quite fond of the old cartridges .
I have 3 rifles , 2 shotguns and 4-5 pistols that are over , or will be in just weeks and a few of months , 100 . I only have 4 guns whose design is less than 60 yo .
I only have 1 cartridge and a parent that is less 50yo ..... Those 2 we're parented 112 yr ago .
I have 3 rifles , 2 shotguns and 4-5 pistols that are over , or will be in just weeks and a few of months , 100 . I only have 4 guns whose design is less than 60 yo .
I only have 1 cartridge and a parent that is less 50yo ..... Those 2 we're parented 112 yr ago .
Not at all amazed most of us gravitate to older cartridges. Most of the newer ones are geared to higher velocities or smaller bores.
Face it, nobody today is going to make much money with a cartridge in the 30-30 class in a hot new rifle.
The older rounds like 30-30, 06, and 45-70 just scream to be fed cast.
Face it, nobody today is going to make much money with a cartridge in the 30-30 class in a hot new rifle.
The older rounds like 30-30, 06, and 45-70 just scream to be fed cast.
oscarflytyer
Well-Known Member
lol! all things new... compare a 10MM/40 to a 38-40! Dang near same ballistics, just in an auto! And (w/o looking!), I think the 38-40 can best the velocity of the 40, if not the 10 - and maybe even do it with Holy Black!!!
And your ref to the 6.5. 6.5x54 and 6.5x55 are very old. Rem failed with the 260 - even tho it is a fine cartridge. Real trick to the 6.5, imo, is that it is a short action. In an AR, i would lean to a 6.5 Grendal. In bolt gun 6.5 Creed all the way. Buddy shoots long range. At a training class, he was smoking the 308s past 600 yds. Said 1200 yds was pretty easy. And the latest LR bullets for calibers are now .680-~.760! unreal!
And your ref to the 6.5. 6.5x54 and 6.5x55 are very old. Rem failed with the 260 - even tho it is a fine cartridge. Real trick to the 6.5, imo, is that it is a short action. In an AR, i would lean to a 6.5 Grendal. In bolt gun 6.5 Creed all the way. Buddy shoots long range. At a training class, he was smoking the 308s past 600 yds. Said 1200 yds was pretty easy. And the latest LR bullets for calibers are now .680-~.760! unreal!
fiver
Well-Known Member
the Grandson will be getting a 260 Rem. as his first rifle.
once I finish off the Barrel in the old western field 243 it's going to get a new 6.5 barrel, a 100% solid bed into the stock, a decent recoil pad installed, and then refinished.
it will be one of those here is the rifle and the load it likes, ask your Mom how to make the ammo things.
once I finish off the Barrel in the old western field 243 it's going to get a new 6.5 barrel, a 100% solid bed into the stock, a decent recoil pad installed, and then refinished.
it will be one of those here is the rifle and the load it likes, ask your Mom how to make the ammo things.