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Any problems at your place? Got your swim fins handy? 
Ground water has to be coming from somewhere, they don't know why all of a sudden it started. I would think running three pumps 24/7 would be a problem. They didn't mention mold problems, that much water must be creating problems with mold.
Ground water has to be coming from somewhere, they don't know why all of a sudden it started. I would think running three pumps 24/7 would be a problem. They didn't mention mold problems, that much water must be creating problems with mold.
Ian
Notorious member
I don't think mold grows in the arctic 
It's neat that they mentioned the range and took some footage of it, that really drives home all the canoe comments to reach the longer berms. I guess Mr. Langedyke could get the state to stock trout or something and have fishing tournaments. For the home-owners, that has to be the drizzling craps. I can't imagine facing losing my house like that, and not having any affordable way to fix the problem to even be able to sell out. Terrible.
It's neat that they mentioned the range and took some footage of it, that really drives home all the canoe comments to reach the longer berms. I guess Mr. Langedyke could get the state to stock trout or something and have fishing tournaments. For the home-owners, that has to be the drizzling craps. I can't imagine facing losing my house like that, and not having any affordable way to fix the problem to even be able to sell out. Terrible.
fiver
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yeah I got similar problems, he lives kitty corner from me, the abandoned house they mentioned is right across the street from him and the one they pulled off the market is across the street from me.
I was ahead of the curve, we treated the basement with commercial mold stuff a couple of years ago which is helping and I treat the water alternately with bleach and peroxide.
I got my pump in deeper than he did, I divert the water down a small trench I made when I put the pump in, and I start pumping sooner in the year than he does.
I'm considering a second pump but for now we keep the other spots wet vacced well enough.
I think a big part of his problem is he runs the water out on his back lawn pretty much just recycling it into the ground and right back into his basement.
I tried talking to him about it a couple of times and explained how I'm pumping mine straight into the sewer system to get rid of the water, but he is so frustrated I don't think he is hearing me.
I was ahead of the curve, we treated the basement with commercial mold stuff a couple of years ago which is helping and I treat the water alternately with bleach and peroxide.
I got my pump in deeper than he did, I divert the water down a small trench I made when I put the pump in, and I start pumping sooner in the year than he does.
I'm considering a second pump but for now we keep the other spots wet vacced well enough.
I think a big part of his problem is he runs the water out on his back lawn pretty much just recycling it into the ground and right back into his basement.
I tried talking to him about it a couple of times and explained how I'm pumping mine straight into the sewer system to get rid of the water, but he is so frustrated I don't think he is hearing me.
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freebullet
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Mold will be a problem for some.
It requires a few things to grow. A temp between 68-86, moisture, a food source(anything organic), darkness, & no air movement. By mitigating several of those conditions you can slow or stop the growth. Countless strains can grow outside of those conditions, further complicating risk mitigation.
Outdoors mother nature will find a balance for microbial growth. Indoors we must make that balance.
Mold is microscopic, it can float on air currents. The "growth" you see is mold waste(poop). The most common mold around here takes roughly 8-12 days to grow the size of a pin head. It can be at a dangerous level with nothing visible. Clean, dry, & humidity levels below 60% is the best mold prevention.
The brighter the color the more toxic it likely is when it comes to mold.
When mold dies it releases endotoxins, which are very bad for humans. Don't try to "kill it". Proper remediation is quite similar to asbestos abatement.
Pumping the water out is not a cure if it keeps coming back in. Once moisture penetrates concrete it will continue to do so as long as excessive moisture is present, and is more likely to do so again in the future. Like wicking action. The water will need pumped/hauled further away to eventually reduce the ground water level if that's the source.
If I faced those conditions I would pump the water into barrels & go dump them downstream. Clean, clean ,clean,& maintain "drying environment" status by reducing the humidity below 30%rh while adding air movement & leaving the area well lit.
Once the ground water recedes, expose the exterior foundation walls for waterproofing. The traditional spray on kind or the newfangled adhesive foam types are both providing good results here. Lot grading, exterior drain tile, & strategic flow dams can help.
It requires a few things to grow. A temp between 68-86, moisture, a food source(anything organic), darkness, & no air movement. By mitigating several of those conditions you can slow or stop the growth. Countless strains can grow outside of those conditions, further complicating risk mitigation.
Outdoors mother nature will find a balance for microbial growth. Indoors we must make that balance.
Mold is microscopic, it can float on air currents. The "growth" you see is mold waste(poop). The most common mold around here takes roughly 8-12 days to grow the size of a pin head. It can be at a dangerous level with nothing visible. Clean, dry, & humidity levels below 60% is the best mold prevention.
The brighter the color the more toxic it likely is when it comes to mold.
When mold dies it releases endotoxins, which are very bad for humans. Don't try to "kill it". Proper remediation is quite similar to asbestos abatement.
Pumping the water out is not a cure if it keeps coming back in. Once moisture penetrates concrete it will continue to do so as long as excessive moisture is present, and is more likely to do so again in the future. Like wicking action. The water will need pumped/hauled further away to eventually reduce the ground water level if that's the source.
If I faced those conditions I would pump the water into barrels & go dump them downstream. Clean, clean ,clean,& maintain "drying environment" status by reducing the humidity below 30%rh while adding air movement & leaving the area well lit.
Once the ground water recedes, expose the exterior foundation walls for waterproofing. The traditional spray on kind or the newfangled adhesive foam types are both providing good results here. Lot grading, exterior drain tile, & strategic flow dams can help.
Wasalmonslayer
Well-Known Member
I just watched the news clip.
That’s really crazy and it is flowing hard!!
That’s really crazy and it is flowing hard!!
smokeywolf
Well-Known Member
Several fellows here are 'mould' experts, but it seems freebullet is also a 'mold' expert.
Yes, I know that a pun is the lowest form of humor, but I just couldn't resist.
Yes, I know that a pun is the lowest form of humor, but I just couldn't resist.
He does make a living that way. If I had mold I would call him first.
Might be why he is such a fun guy?
Only partially tongue in cheek and if offensive..... oops.
Two things come to mind,a backhoe and sheetmetal.Would build an underground shooting range so fast it'd make a mold spore run with it's tail between it's legs.The untasteful #2 would be seeing what kind of tax breaks I could count on.
Two things come to mind,a backhoe and sheetmetal.Would build an underground shooting range so fast it'd make a mold spore run with it's tail between it's legs.The untasteful #2 would be seeing what kind of tax breaks I could count on.
I'm certainly no geologist but I gotta agree with Brad, all those quakes Lamar was talking about awhile back has changed the direction & flow of the ground water. Sounds quite logical to this untrained mind anyway. I would think that if that's the case it could well never stop flowing where it is now.
At any rate it sure ain't a good thing.
At any rate it sure ain't a good thing.
RBHarter
West Central AR
My folks place in AR has 3 springs on it and a shale line .
Now having lived in the desert my whole life run off control is a big deal because if you don't have that little bit of rain you get 4-5 times a yr will have you out with a loader moving sand and sometimes heavy rock out of street and drive way or back filling a cut .
I'm no expert but water runs down hill no matter how it got pushed up to where it comes out the shale line handled the spring fine but when it got exposed and rained on the flow line raised and viola' water in the living room . The cure was that the water needed to be kept off the shop ramp pad some 80' from the house . By coincidence it cut a shallow place in the shale line when the "French" drain was put in to keep the water out of the shop . 2 lines about about 18"deep 12" wide and filled with drive gravel , with a suitable fall to natural drainage and removing an aesthetic build up fixed the house water issue .
Seismic activity has been known to change entire landscapes in hours , see Quake Lake , Montana . So the idea that a new or rerouted spring is keeping your sump full isn't really a surprise to me .
Who knows your place better than you ?
Ok maybe that's me that knows the feel , drift and flow of my dirt . Of course not knowing your living arrangements either doesn't help but I'd bet on a strip or belt of faster growing grass or slightly bigger trees that is new , or has moved and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in a low place . You may not be able to fix it or make it better and doing so may just move it next door or it might take a couple of cuts with a scraper to completely dry up an off and on only when it rains over 3" problem .
Now having lived in the desert my whole life run off control is a big deal because if you don't have that little bit of rain you get 4-5 times a yr will have you out with a loader moving sand and sometimes heavy rock out of street and drive way or back filling a cut .
I'm no expert but water runs down hill no matter how it got pushed up to where it comes out the shale line handled the spring fine but when it got exposed and rained on the flow line raised and viola' water in the living room . The cure was that the water needed to be kept off the shop ramp pad some 80' from the house . By coincidence it cut a shallow place in the shale line when the "French" drain was put in to keep the water out of the shop . 2 lines about about 18"deep 12" wide and filled with drive gravel , with a suitable fall to natural drainage and removing an aesthetic build up fixed the house water issue .
Seismic activity has been known to change entire landscapes in hours , see Quake Lake , Montana . So the idea that a new or rerouted spring is keeping your sump full isn't really a surprise to me .
Who knows your place better than you ?
Ok maybe that's me that knows the feel , drift and flow of my dirt . Of course not knowing your living arrangements either doesn't help but I'd bet on a strip or belt of faster growing grass or slightly bigger trees that is new , or has moved and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in a low place . You may not be able to fix it or make it better and doing so may just move it next door or it might take a couple of cuts with a scraper to completely dry up an off and on only when it rains over 3" problem .
fiver
Well-Known Member
it's a ground flow change.
years back there was a swampy area just west of here, and some springs fed that area.
there is still a couple of springs over there one of them feeds a small fishing pond they keep stocked for the kids and senior citizens to fish.
the other 2 were piped off to the creek that runs out to the lake, they diverted part of one to make a little wading type pond at a park down by the rivers edge.
this one is a little different we had those quakes which was shaking everything up but wasn't affecting anything.
then we had a pretty good one hit and it opened some new springs in the valley and stopped water flow to a couple of others.
the gun range flooding is tied to our basement problems, it just happens to be out in the open in a big cut.
IMO if that water was drained down to the river our water would follow it.
there are a couple of other solutions that could be implemented too, I'm sure we will explore some of them at the meeting this Saturday.
years back there was a swampy area just west of here, and some springs fed that area.
there is still a couple of springs over there one of them feeds a small fishing pond they keep stocked for the kids and senior citizens to fish.
the other 2 were piped off to the creek that runs out to the lake, they diverted part of one to make a little wading type pond at a park down by the rivers edge.
this one is a little different we had those quakes which was shaking everything up but wasn't affecting anything.
then we had a pretty good one hit and it opened some new springs in the valley and stopped water flow to a couple of others.
the gun range flooding is tied to our basement problems, it just happens to be out in the open in a big cut.
IMO if that water was drained down to the river our water would follow it.
there are a couple of other solutions that could be implemented too, I'm sure we will explore some of them at the meeting this Saturday.
fiver
Well-Known Member
it's all down hill to the river.
a good hoe driver could cut a trench in like 2 days.
they would need to put a culvert under the road about 30' from the rivers edge for sure, cause that cuts down to the trap range on the Corder's place.
the rest of the ground is just fields.
a good hoe driver could cut a trench in like 2 days.
they would need to put a culvert under the road about 30' from the rivers edge for sure, cause that cuts down to the trap range on the Corder's place.
the rest of the ground is just fields.
