well that was short.

fiver

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oh man some garlic and butter with a dash of pepper.
I'd be so full of mushrooms it wouldn't be funny.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Must be nice to have seasons. We used to have wild Morels here that would pop up occasionally, but too many 5-6-year drought cycles in the last 30 must have killed the spoors. This year has been consistently wet and humid for the area and lots of fungus and mold have popped up all over the place, but alas nothing edible. I like sauteed Morels and mushrooms in general so much that one day I'm going to just grow my own in the greenhouse.

Closer to the coast the mushrooms are thick, but mostly the kind that make you reconsider what you know as reality for about half a day.
 

Intheshop

Banned
Cool deal on the Mustang Fiver.

About SC's....Like the boy's GT wasn't fast enough?I bought them a matching red supercharged Cougar.Oh,it was plenty fast but,DANG....what a complete PIA to work on.If memory serves,the book time on a SP change was 6hrs,doh.

We dinked around with it for a cpl years.Sold it to a hillbilly wood cutter who literally"gas axed" the body off to get the motor and 5sp out.

Never was any probs working on the blower,and related hdwr.Just everything else?Oh and the brakes were tiny...sumthin to consider when discussing fast cars.
 

fiver

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I don't have any more room under the 18" rims for more disc diameter.
I wanna lower it another inch or so in the front but I already have to be very careful about where I drive.
I sometimes have to pass up a driveway into-out of a store or go around the block to make a turn if they have too steep of an angle.
 

Intheshop

Banned
We build/repair stupid fast sportbikes...

They show up here,new,broken,trashed.

One thing I know...to steal a quote from Mario.."it's amazing how many drivers think,brakes are only for slowing down".We are a Brembo/Ohlins shop.

Edit to add...dude our shop truck has Bilsteins,doh
 
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Chris

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oh man some garlic and butter with a dash of pepper.
I'd be so full of mushrooms it wouldn't be funny.
My son and I picked a bunch of oysters while hunting. We weighed and ate 9.5 pounds for supper. No meat or potatoes. Just mushrooms sauteed in butter.
 

fiver

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on the street it does get driven like a low rider.
a factory looking low rider with just about everything else handling wise replaced under the skin. [just need to do the struts]
the only outside changes are the grill and the chin spoiler.
the front spoiler is more open, lower, and has air hoses ducted to the brakes.
the grill is blacked out and shaped like the factory grill but wider for more air flow and the horse is gone.
 

Intheshop

Banned
Mustangs and mushrooms,wait that was a P1800 with the small block...no,it was the Texas Ferrari....no,pretty sure it was the Volvo?

Fiver,do a search and really get a handle on hi vs low "speed" damping WRT to shock valves....and NO,it's not about your cars speed...it's about the fluidity within the shock itself.That and spring rates,and their relationship.Be safe,buckle up.BWSmith

Edit:none of the above,it was the '72 Maserati...doh.
 
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smokeywolf

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My '79 Camaro was 1 of 200 that was made up by Chevy's Van Nuys plant to be sold to the California Highway Patrol. CHP bought Mustangs instead. When I donated it to The Lung Association in about 1997 it had 420,000+ miles on it. Trans had never needed a repair or rebuild and because the springs were so stiff, it was still sporting the original shocks.

Reason the CHP chose the Mustangs over the Camaros was, the Camaro was a bit light in the rear end, doors were long and heavy when you have to get in and out 40 times in a shift with all your gear on. And, although not much could run away from them above 50 MPH, the 2.88:1 rear end made it a dog from 0-50.

Because the Mustangs had a tendency to overheat, they moved the dozen Camaros they had out to the desert.
 

fiver

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they make some amazing shocks now.
there is an outfit in Germany that makes adjustable shocks.
you have to remove a little plate in the trunk to adjust the rear ones but the front ones are right under the hood.
you can adjust front to back bias as well as side roll [or even bias them to allow the weight to roll back to the right or left rear tire] with them just by turning a hex key and a wrench.
and if you want to drag race it's all a whole other set-up including the rear springs.
I don't have a lot of call for drag racing [except my brother and anybody in a hemi dodge] but they won't run the canyons and explaining what the GT badge means to them is about a waste of time.
they just see the tiny little cobra sticker on the side of the trunk and hear the exhaust and wanna drag race, or better yet ask me to do a burn out.
it's hard explaining why the car won't do a 'burn out'. [mainly because the owner doesn't like buying Z-rated tires]
 

Intheshop

Banned
Agreed,lots of this is a waste because folks just "have" to get more power.

"Spinning,ain't winning "

Backing up a bit...one of the first things I learned in racing school (MC's) was about the launch,basically,gapping whomever is behind you.If we're all on pretty much similar equipment,any gap that you can get early...is "time" that just can't be made up.

So it is with getting whatever power we have available,to the ground.Before we can fully extrapolate any cam technology,not to mention power adders in general...it starts with your suspension setup.

Not to be confused with brakes,they add to the equation yes,but still...Nope,how soon can you get traction?Because that's time that can't be made up,all other things being mostly equal.

When properly "sprung"..and valved(shock internals),you have way more attention available to peddle the pos coming out of turns.

This is why it's so backwards to what most gearheads believe.Now,throw in some high end,repeatedly consistent brakes...which let me run just a bit deeper,before mashing the gas mid turn.
 

Intheshop

Banned
Speaking of "cams",it's interesting to note,on modern sportbikes....

We'll take some of the factory cam,out...to go road racing.It's a marketing trick for the factories to put aggressive cam profiles in to boost HP figures.Back to the real world of spinning ain't winning,we need a little"softer" profile(not in every case though) just so it'll hook earlier on exit.
 

fiver

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this reminds me of the cam phaser discussion I had with Ian.
I keep looking for a cam with 'more' dwell time on the exhaust side. [actually a more efficient timing event]
running a 3 valve engine allows you the ability to not have to run the valves open further or for a lot longer duration on one side or the other.
but by utilizing the exhaust valve timing better you can make that first quick opening of the first intake valve actually inject a ton more air when you get that clean air shot in the engine it allows you to fill the cylinder better with the second.
it also allows better scavenging to take affect in the exhaust system.
even with all the brilliance out there in the cam grinding world I have had a hard time connecting with a cutter that understands what I want.
 

Intheshop

Banned
To begin with,other than ordering over the counter,ready ground....I really don't know,and at the risk of sounding elitist,don't give a rats behind about "car" cams.Oh,I've dropped the money and frankly,been well satisfied.

Now,get into dbl overhead,state of the art MC cams,and it's attendant speak...well it does get interesting.To the point,we've designed profiles/grinds...back in the day,that still exist."Pop's" Yoshimura stuff.Specifically their "Bonneville" cams.

But it taxes the brain...engineering'ly speaking.And would just muck up the whole works even talking "rates" these days.Takes an attention that just ain't there anymore.

BUT,that was the bad news.Do a google search for Burns Stainless Steel in California.Tell'm Smith bros sent you,haha.They are who we get all our exhaust tubing from...good,bad,or otherwise.Get on their site and dig around.Again,it's sort of backwards...work on the headers,then go back and re-access the cam profile.Paying particular attention to their"merge" collector (Ian will love this).They pretty much wrote the book on it.
 

Intheshop

Banned
Reminds me of a story....

Tripping on back in time.MV motorcycles comes out with a 750 .Think Ducati on steroids.Same designer,same slap your momma,that's the most ridiculously BA motorcycle I've ever seen.OK,a jet setting architect riding bud,"signs" up...he buys one.

Fast fwd'ing...he buys,another,then another.

But back to the beginning,he gets it and if you Google foo the original,you'll see these gorgeous 4 into 1 into ?...exhaust systems.

So,being as Al Gore has created this medium where like minded folks can get on and do whatever it is?that folks actually accomplish while fingering a keyboard...we have an MV "site".

So I sign up...it's well attended,heck man...what's his name,the famous MV factory rider from back in the day is even on here.Which was,pretty cool.So anyway...as usual,new product comes out.Now how can we,hop it up?Yup,several co's come out with aftermarket exhaust systems.

Time goes by...maybe two years?All the while,me and my riding partner are being completely obnoxious,garnering "speed awards"...wearing out track days.

For some reasons,mostly he's the educated one,haha..I'm always second in this,flying circus.As such,I'm privy to the,off throttle flame fart that comes out of the MV exhaust.We just don't give a rip,pay the tickets,buy truck loads of tyres,do another track day sorts.

Come to find out,2-3 years later...point in fact the factory "header" put out more HP than all the aftermarket stuff?We still get a laugh about it.Until you're thoroughly running past factory equipment,do you really need a bump in performance?
 

Ian

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I spent a few years doing suspension work for the Viper road race guys. The conversation about boneheads and "GT", "RT", and "RT/S" had me laughing, along with suspension tuning. It's really nice to work on a car that's already built properly in the first place....for the job indicated by the badge. Fuel, air, and exhaust all properly squared-away by the R&D dept. Guys would come in with their baby on a trailer complaining about bump steer at 160, and I'd spend ten hours fixing it. A proper dynamic toe adjustment is done on the alignment rack with the springs, shocks, and struts stacked on a cart in the adjacent stall. Check it all, put it back to "stock" and it would do what it was designed to do, which was whip up on the Corvette guys with $20,000 in suspension and steering mods.

Then there was this one Viper owner, a real special piece of work, who would bring me his broken car regularly. He fancied it a drag race car and he never could get it through his head that when you have hot drag radials on the 150-degree starting line at Ennis, it ain't smart to bounce it off the rev limiter during the stage and then dump the clutch in first gear on green. I put rear halfshafts and a third member in his car at least half a dozen times before he sold the car.

Saleen built a pretty decent Mustang for a factory car, but if ever there was a lesson in TANSTAFL it has to be camshaft grinds. You can optimize the fuel/air system for exactly one engine speed, everything else is a compromise. Phasers and independent intake/exhaust camshafts are nice and enable the elimination of EGR systems in the design because you can program the scavenge at steady cruise and low rpm/high load conditions and any other time you need it, and that also helps keep the cylinders cool and lets you ramp the ignition timing up just a fuzz more than with fixed cam timing, but still it's all a trade off. Same thing with intake runner length and exhaust tubes. Once your realize that nothing beats 180° headers on a V-8 engine, and that you're not going to shoehorn a set of those into a production car any way, any how, it's kinda disappointing.

Oh, by the way, EFI Live absolutely kicks butt for custom tunes, particularly when stupid power starts to happen with neat things like forced induction, but you'd better have at least a 4-gas analyzer and know your stuff about fuel strategy.
 

Intheshop

Banned
Leverage,it ain't just about Wall St.

These days,I'll put wifey's well suspended WRX up against whatever....maybe not with her driving it...doh.Gotta say though,she flat will not drive anything but a stick,go figure.
 

Ian

Notorious member
The WRX is the most BA little uglybox I ever drove in my life. An absolute rocket if you feather the throttle and clutch just right and keep that turbo spooled up between shifts. Rides like an ox cart though, I'd love to get behind the wheel of one with some proper undercarriage and TIRES....and maybe with about 50 lbs of correctly-applied Dynamat Extreme, dB-Bloc, and closed-cell foam. Nothing irritates me more in an auto than bad NVH.