Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Nope, but you could be just about right in a variety of other 31's.Can't see sizing this down .005" to shoot in a 30-30.
Nope, but you could be just about right in a variety of other 31's.Can't see sizing this down .005" to shoot in a 30-30.
I think it is a 1920's Belding and Mull design for the 30 WCF Short Range. FWIWThat looks like an old design to me.
Looks B+M-ish, thats for sure. .316 is fat, but you never know what the intention was. As someone else mentioned, alloy can grow. That's a lot for a 30, but without knowing just what it is we're just guessing.I think it is a 1920's Belding and Mull design for the 30 WCF Short Range. FWIW
I have an 88 Commission rifle. Homelier than a mud fence. I used to shoot a plain base .321" 200 grain Paul Jones schuetzen bullet in it with 14.0 grains of 4227. Reasonably accurate and my buddy Long Hunter and I irritated some guys at a shoot one day by ringing the 165 yard skunk target 12 shots in a row, exchanging the rifle between shots, off hand. A bystander shook his head and declared his MVA rear sight cost 3 times what a Commission Rifle was worth and he could not hit the skunk at all.Almost looks like an hunting type bullet uncle used to load for his M/8 1888 Gewehr German surplus rifle. Accept he ran his at .317. I believe that was a black powder load.
Wish I had that rifle.
Well sometimes the memory is not so good. Been at least 10 years gone. Thanks for the info.I have an 88 Commission rifle. Homelier than a mud fence. I used to shoot a plain base .321" 200 grain Paul Jones schuetzen bullet in it with 14.0 grains of 4227. Reasonably accurate and my buddy Long Hunter and I irritated some guys at a shoot one day by ringing the 165 yard skunk target 12 shots in a row, exchanging the rifle between shots, off hand. A bystander shook his head and declared his MVA rear sight cost 3 times what a Commission Rifle was worth and he could not hit the skunk at all.
Then one day I tried that long Lyman H.Guy Loverin styled pointed 8 m/m bullet long discontinued, about 220 grains and checked and sized to .324", (maybe a 323471?). Anyway, now it really shot well, same powder charge. But as the sights get older my perfect eyes are having a hard time getting a good sight picture. I mean the sights are from 1890, no wonder they are getting fuzzier.
As far as black powder Mitty, maybe he did, but I don't think it is a good candidate for BP. Small bore, tight twist, no thanks. And as far as how strong they are, well the Germans gave them to their Turk allies in WWI and I don't think the Turks or anyone over there since hesitated to stick whatever mil-surp 8x57 ammo fit in the chamber including the hot German machine gun ammo.
I have an 88 Commission rifle. Homelier than a mud fence. I used to shoot a plain base .321" 200 grain Paul Jones schuetzen bullet in it with 14.0 grains of 4227. Reasonably accurate and my buddy Long Hunter and I irritated some guys at a shoot one day by ringing the 165 yard skunk target 12 shots in a row, exchanging the rifle between shots, off hand. A bystander shook his head and declared his MVA rear sight cost 3 times what a Commission Rifle was worth and he could not hit the skunk at all.
Then one day I tried that long Lyman H.Guy Loverin styled pointed 8 m/m bullet long discontinued, about 220 grains and checked and sized to .324", (maybe a 323471?). Anyway, now it really shot well, same powder charge. But as the sights get older my perfect eyes are having a hard time getting a good sight picture. I mean the sights are from 1890, no wonder they are getting fuzzier.
As far as black powder Mitty, maybe he did, but I don't think it is a good candidate for BP. Small bore, tight twist, no thanks. And as far as how strong they are, well the Germans gave them to their Turk allies in WWI and I don't think the Turks or anyone over there since hesitated to stick whatever mil-surp 8x57 ammo fit in the chamber including the hot German machine gun ammo.
Having spent a part of my young adulthood there, I can assure you that just his law enforcement days could easily take up 2/3 of the book.You really should write a book. I can see a collection of random, one-page short stories about random (mis?)adventures put together as a sort of light-hearted memoir.
The .303 Savage is a true .308 just like the .30-30. It was designed that way from word go..303 Brit, .303 Savage, or like Bret noted any "fat 30" or metric equivalent like 7.62x54R or Argie.
There were apparently at least a few loadings early on that had .311 bullets. Didn't belive it until I saw the pics and found contemporary writings that noted this. Confusing!Huh, I always thought it was a .311, thanks for the correction.
SOME loadings were .311 early on. That practice doesn't appear to have lasted real long. OTOH, loading the 30-30 with .307 bullets lasted into the 70's/80's at least as I still have a box of .307 Sierras and they are labeled for the 30-30!the 303's bullets were 311 the bore was 308.
it was one of the trick's Arthur used to get the 303 to look better than the 30-30, he knew even back then that 2400 looked a lot better than 2300.
case size killed him, so pressure was his friend.