Winchester M88 .308

Matt

Active Member
After discussing Savage M99s a bit ago I spotted my little used and source of disappointment Winchester M88. I’ve never had any luck hunting with this rifle. Generally it made sure you did not see ANY deer or elk when hunting with it. I think I might have seen a cow elk once while carrying it. I bought it because a cousin of mine had a M88 in .243 that killed everything for him; deer, elk , coyotes. We thought the M88 would be perfect for a guided horseback hunt like Jack O’Connor and Elmer Kieth. I wanted a .243 but could never find one. Got a like new used .308 and mounted a Weaver 1.5x4.5 scope. With the 165 gr Speer bullets I loaded back then it was a solid 1.5 MOA rifle. My cousins .243 shot 1/2” 3 shot groups with the old 95 grain Nolser Partition. The fourth shot would be 2 inches out of the group, some times more depending on how hot the barrel was. Didn’t matter, he was an amazing hunter I never saw him shoot more than once at anything. Anyway I decided I would try the M88 with cast bullets. I loaded 60 rounds with the Ideal 308241 from my gang mold visually inspected. Sized to .311 with Ben’s Red and seated over 6 grains of Bullseye, primed with the last of my old Winchester 120 domed primers. Mixed military brass, no prep. The barrel had been cleaned and lightly oiled about a year ago. I pushed three dry patches through and off to the range. I had a heck of a time getting on paper and wasted 10 rounds getting zeroed at 50. I then began to shoot 10 shot groups without letting barrel cool. Not fast but a comfortable pace. First two 1.2 inches including some fliers and fighting the rifle on the bags. Third group of 10 had heat waves coming off the barrel and the group was a little over 1.5 inches. There was a little lube at the muzzle and the bore had what appeared to be a heavy wash of lead. Hopefully that shows up in the photo. Let the rifle cool 45 minutes and shot the last 10. First two shots very slightly low next 8 in a group of .416” all 10 were .964”. I was pretty impressed. This rifle has a Winchester pre-64 featherweight barrel contour, a dovetail cut for rear sight, dovetail cut for forearm screw (this screw is what holds the action in the stock. There is a metal “socket” screwed into the stock that the rear of the receiver fits into. These rifles shouldn’t shoot very well at all. I’m pleasantly 0C391CF0-2256-4CD6-B94C-69B9A1D3DCDB.jpegF5600B97-B7B7-4E20-BD76-671E327D5115.jpeg01093609-FB79-4022-9B04-E3F379CB1286.jpeg surprised and will see what other cast it will shoot.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I see a little light wash in there but nothing that would worry me. Lead gets very soft, very fast in a hot barrel and will begin to fail. I'd be really happy with what you got there!
 

Rick H

Well-Known Member
Being a lefty I always loved M88 Winchesters.....but never found one that had an even halfway decent trigger. I was warned to not even try to get inside to fix one either. Got into left handed bolt rifles before I ever tried.
Good looking and good shooting rifle.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
yours is shooting MUCH better than I see/have heard for the 88s and 100s. My son has an inherited 100. Very happy for anything in the 1.5" range at 100. Course,, still perfect for our woods shooting/deer inside 200 yds. Son loves it!
 

Matt

Active Member
Thanks for the compliments, yes I’m pretty pleased and suprised with this rifle. I didn’t mention the trigger on M88s because I didn’t want to appear to be whining. The triggers are mushy, heavy and they never really “break” ; kind of like a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun................. The worst Savage 99, Winchester, or Marlin lever gun trigger I’ve ever felt is miles ahead of of the M88.
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
I see a little light wash in there but nothing that would worry me. Lead gets very soft, very fast in a hot barrel and will begin to fail. I'd be really happy with what you got there!
Ian, care to start another thread about lead getting soft in a hot barrel, or pointing me to one of your previous articles? I think Waco has mentioned shooting at too fast of a rate on one of his videos.