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fiver

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your comparing it to rifles makes me smile just a bit.
many of my rifle molds are starting to look a lot like this one.
that long drive band in front of the case, shorter nose lengths, along with a heavier rear drive band is what I'm trending towards more and more.
 

Brad

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With the extended jump from case to rifling in a revolver a strong front band is critical. A weak band just won't hold the rifling.
I view a revolver as a short barreled rifle with a huge amount of straight freebore.
 

Rick

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A weak band just won't hold the rifling.

Or, the center line of the bullet a with short weak front band will not be held in alignment with the center line of the bore "by the throat". When chambered there is enough front band held securely by the throat and perfectly aligned with the bore. The whole idea here is that once the front band is being engraved by the rifling the rear band is still in the throat, still held in alignment. Once the check clears the throat that front band is already engraved and held perfectly aligned by the bore.
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Brad

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I have 150 or so cast up. I tumbled in a very light coat of BLL so the nose has a little lubrication. I then checked, sized, and lubed with Bens Red. Cases are primed with CCI 350 for initial testing. I am using new Starline 44 mag cases. The 445 brass still needs to be trimmed. I want to get some initial data before going to the 445 brass.
Quickload suggests a max of 25 gr of H110. The bullet has little in the case so there is lots of powder space. I will likely start at 24gr and work up from there.
 

gman

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That load should be smoking. Hopefully your results will be favorable. Tom may be cutting lots of molds!
 

Brad

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Quickload shows I can get close to 1400 fps. I will let the LabRadar determine that.

If weather holds I will be doing some shooting Wednesday. Cases are ready, just need to dump powder and seat bullets.
 

Rick

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A 240 gr jbullet in a DW revolver with 23.5 gr H-110 gets right at 1320 fps. That load is so common in silhouette it's known as the "house load". Don't remember what primer they use. Jim would say most definitely not a mag, I dunno about that in the 44, mag is definitely best in the 357. If your not shooting until Wed you have plenty of time to get 445 brass ready and loaded.
 

Brad

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Federal will get a chance, both standard and mag. From past testing in the 44 mag rifle CCI 350 was consistantly a good performer and was usually the tops for velocity too. I figure top velocity likely means top pressure too.

Rick, no time for trimming the brass. Work this weekend, parents and inlaws over Sunday too. Work, work, work makes Brad a dull boy.
 

fiver

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I been working.
working the phones with insurance adjusters.
my mom and sister both worked in insurance for about 200 years, but this is a whole new ball game.

I have also been working over some loads.
for years I was always working the lower to mid end of the pressure spectrum.
and I'm really starting to re-think that right now.
 

gman

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Brad, Interested in your bench setup. What you are using for a rest. Just looking to compare or improve.
 

Brad

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I will try to get some photos. I need to build a riser to get the rest and rear bags higher.
I use my Sinclair front rest with the third leg forward. I rest the frame on the bag. I need to get a few small bags to rest my wrists on to reduce wobble. Rick doesn't permit wobble.
It is all about getting your hand on the gun exadtly the same each shot. I remove my hand and regrip for each shot as it will move on the grip. No death grip, just enough to hold on.
Trigger control and follow thru are also critical.
 

Rick

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I will try to get some photos. I need to build a riser to get the rest and rear bags higher.
I use my Sinclair front rest with the third leg forward. I rest the frame on the bag. I need to get a few small bags to rest my wrists on to reduce wobble. Rick doesn't permit wobble.
It is all about getting your hand on the gun exadtly the same each shot. I remove my hand and regrip for each shot as it will move on the grip. No death grip, just enough to hold on.
Trigger control and follow thru are also critical.

Wow, he does listen. :confused: Well, sometimes anyway.

Yes, wobble bad. Seems though Mr. Wobble is much tougher to make go away on that fifth shot.
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gman

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I need some better bags to support my wrist also. I really need to build a solid bench. I think that will be on my to do list when I get back. Yes, wobble is very bad. Or noting your target group before you finish shooting the last 2 rounds in the cylinder. Best 100 yard group I had going I blew it once I looked at how I was grouping before finishing.
 

Rick

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When I was working up revolver loads from the bench it was with a 12x Burris mostly at 150 meters, very difficult to not see the group already fired.
 

fiver

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yeah I'm re-thinking shot to shot consistency is improved by moving the pressure window closer to the upper side of the spectrum.
even a faster powder needs to be in a window where it is consumed properly and completely.
 

gman

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Looked at the drawing in Accurate's catalog. Finger on the button waiting on results. No pressure Brad! Lol!