NOE'S 311291 In The .308 Winchester - Showing Promise !

[quicksylver]

Hi guys ..Dan here again

Ya again... , sorry.... but I promised a follow up to this threat..http://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/ok-so-maybe-the-311291-aint-so-bad.2509/

So now that you've clicked on the above link and read the post you know some of the back ground regarding my testing (re-testing to be exact) of bullets cast with my new NOE mold...

Looking pretty good in the 30-30..yes ?

Well I have moved on to the testing of the 291 in .308 Winchester...initial results were just so-so..but I continued to hang in there ..trying different charge weights and seating depths...I do believe it was worth the effort...as I will show you...but before I do... for those of you who don't know me that well, let me once again and with out hesitation say that "anyone can out shoot me if both of us are using a scope" ...here comes the excuse... I seem to have an aversion to them..OH Well .!!

The gun I used for the load development was (and still is) a fairly decent Remington 700 VS, sporting a very nice Leupold VariX-3,6.5-20x....recently installed in a Boyd Thumb Hole Stock....

This rig has proven to be a sub 1/2 MOA with various cast bullets....at least on the days I do my part...
here's the rig..

Here's the loaded round...

Here's todays group...I think this may be the charge I will continue to use for this bullet in the .308 unless my testing proves differently...at the moment I only have this group to show you..I will post others similar to this when I get back to the house...I am at the office and don't have the targets here...

Needless to say this bullet is surprising the heck out of me..!!!!

On to the 30-06...!


Thanks for taking the time to read this.... Dan

 

[freebullet]

Looks like your warming up to scopes rapidly!

You sound like the pool table hustler. I suck, I suck, I suck, now, give me your money. I ain't fallin for it!!!!

Joking aside, nice work!

 

[quicksylver]

Thanks FreeB....I know I keep saying that over and over..

But it's true...about hundred years or so back I got bloodied by a Lyman Super Targetspot..as you know they have about a 1/4" eye relief..it wasn't until about two years or so ago that I started trying the "NEW" scopes..nice eye relief..

There is just something about the way they make a 1 3/4# trigger pull feel like 6#'s...and they strain the hell out of my eyes...guess I'll never be an "F" Class shooter...but I know I have to keep trying them 'cause that's all I'll be able to use if I want to keep shooting..

So you mention you might have some loose cash..??

 

[Ian]

If the scope is causing strain, either it has lousy glass or you haven't adjusted the ocular lens focus correctly for your eye. Having mounts that put the scope in a comfortable position relative to the comb, and re-configuring your bag setup will help too if you make it so you're not looking through the lenses at an oblique angle or with your head turned so your eyeball is swiveled up against its "stops".

 

[quicksylver]

Ian...I am going to move the scope back about a 1/2" as I've run out of rear adjustment..(it's all the way out) ..the scope is crystal clear and gathers light like no tomorrow..it has a fine cross hairs with a target dot...

I also have a Lyman LWBR 24x that is clear as a bell with the same reticle ..but doesn't gather light as well..of course that one is considerably older..but still one sweet scope..

Another of my range knock around scopes are a couple of Weaver T16's ..El Paso if memory serves me right....one has fine cross hairs,the other Medium Duplex..the one with the fine cross hairs is on its way out..the other is like new, but the cross hairs are just a little too thick for really fine target work..could be good for my AR...guess I'll give it a try...

 

[Ian]

Ok, you got me wondering now....are you familiar with diopter and how to properly adjust it to your unique eye and glasses prescription?

You might consider just pulling the scope off and getting the diopter set correctly (may take a couple of days to get perfect), then put it back on the rifle in the position that fits you.

 

[Intheshop]

In motorcycle helmet world,it is said you have either an Arai head or a Shoei head.It refers to your noggins shape.

Same thing happens in scopes.Two people,can side by side look through the same scope and one may "fit" and be a strain,headache to the other.

So take scope reviews with that in mind.I happen to have a Shoei head and Leupold eyes.On the eyepiece adj;if you're having difficulty getting it to focus.Use the tape trick.Run the eyepiece in till it starts to get blurred,put a spot of tape to mark it's position.Then turn the eyepiece out,finding where it gets wonky.Split the difference.

 

[Intheshop]

Another "trick" that is counter intuitive concerns reticle thickness.

My favorite scope is a Leupold 1-4x20 "shotgun" scope.It's on my EDC SPS 7-08.The reticle has really thick "wires".Finding the perfect sized dot or aiming point is exactly the size where the reticle just covers it completely.So,when staging for the shot,you get the target dot in one of the "squares" off to the side.Slowly cover the dot on the target,when it disappears,yank the trigger.

It's counter intuitive because we're conditioned to look and see the center of,say a circle as in your OP.It somewhat explains how you can get VG siting/groups with lower powered scopes.I can shoot almost as good with above 4x as when swapping it out with a much more powerful scope.

There's also some notions that,considering everything in tune scope wise,.....the wobbles that a shooter is seeing with higher powered scopes is messing with your confidence.The brain is funny that way.Like offhand work....your brain is telling you to hold HARDER dang it.Which just makes the wobbles worse.You need to practice with rhythm.Timed fire helps here.....find how long your hold window is.Then refine it.It'll keep your brain out of the equation.

 

[Ian]

Same thing happens in scopes.Two people,can side by side look through the same scope and one may "fit" and be a strain,headache to the other.

That's why the diopter adjustment exists. If properly utilized, it makes It levels that playing field since no two people's eyes are exactly the same regarding reticle focus. If the target image isn't in focus, that's a whole 'nuther problem that has more to do with lens quality and arrangement (= $$) than brand or person.

 

[quicksylver]

More groups with the evil scope..

 

[Intheshop]

Steal some dryer sheets from momma,throw m on your bags.Really buckle down on...slick movement WRT the rig riding on the rest.See if you can feel any torque...

 

[fiver]

the problem is gun/shoulder contact.
too loose, too tight.
the curved pad will make you think your feeling the rifle against your shoulder, and you are, just not the same each time.

 

[Maxjon]

Hi guys ..Dan here again

Ya again... , sorry.... but I promised a follow up to this threat..http://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/ok-so-maybe-the-311291-aint-so-bad.2509/

So now that you've clicked on the above link and read the post you know some of the back ground regarding my testing (re-testing to be exact) of bullets cast with my new NOE mold...

Looking pretty good in the 30-30..yes ?

Well I have moved on to the testing of the 291 in .308 Winchester...initial results were just so-so..but I continued to hang in there ..trying different charge weights and seating depths...I do believe it was worth the effort...as I will show you...but before I do... for those of you who don't know me that well, let me once again and with out hesitation say that "anyone can out shoot me if both of us are using a scope" ...here comes the excuse... I seem to have an aversion to them..OH Well .!!

The gun I used for the load development was (and still is) a fairly decent Remington 700 VS, sporting a very nice Leupold VariX-3,6.5-20x....recently installed in a Boyd Thumb Hole Stock....

This rig has proven to be a sub 1/2 MOA with various cast bullets....at least on the days I do my part...
here's the rig..

Here's the loaded round...

Here's todays group...I think this may be the charge I will continue to use for this bullet in the .308 unless my testing proves differently...at the moment I only have this group to show you..I will post others similar to this when I get back to the house...I am at the office and don't have the targets here...

Needless to say this bullet is surprising the heck out of me..!!!!

On to the 30-06...!


Thanks for taking the time to read this.... Dan

Nice shooting! By the look of the loaded round, of 2.725 OAL, I assume the bullet base remains, in the neck portion, of the case?? If so, I believe this to be a big part of your accuracy results.....Nice shooting, I might have to get that mold!