bye-bye 223 Moving on to another caliber.
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I tend to prefer the longer stock myself. When I first picked up the shorter stock, I thought it would be too short for me. It isn't I'm just more accustomed to the longer length of pull. As long as I don't over think it the short stock works well.
The youth stocks on the 527s are definitely more workable for an adult than most youth stocks, and I'd just about bet that a black, 1" thick Pachmyer presentation recoil pad (or Hogue) would get it really close to feeling better for anyone for whom it s a bit short. Maybe an option unless it's one for just the kids.
I've cut an inch off a lot of stocks because the shorter pull works better for me. Options to stretch one are a bit more complicated.
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Yeah, nobody wants the "good stuff!"I just have 223/556 ammo and rifles for trade bait for my other gun friends. Offer up a half a thousand nato rounds... I cam write my own ticket... works every time
Watched a guy walk all 'round a show three times one day, just over a year or two ago, trying to off-load a very well-kept Savage 340 in 222 for $250. I'd made up my mind that I'd grab it when he swung back through the fourth time when I saw from across the room that hge was heading out the door - WITH his 222.
I have 3 .223 rifles left. An Armalite AR, an H&R Handi-Rifle and a old Series 180 Mini-14.
That Mini-14 MUST be the exception to the rule that all Mini's are inaccurate. First time from the bench it shot under 1 1/2" at 100yrds with REM 50gr SP's. Now I load Sierra 55gr SP over IMR3031. Yes, IMR3031.
I know it takes a drop tube, but really accurate in My Armalite too.
That Handi-Rifle will group the same as the S-A's.
3 shot groups at 100yrds into 1 1/2" - 1 1/4". The Mini does have an after market peep and a bit of an action job.
As far a 1911's go I started on My own Shooting/Reloading/Casting sans family about 1975. 2nd gun/1st pistol was a OLD Navy 1911 that I got from an OLD Navy Chief. It rattled, first shot and it Bit Me. When I got home, Dad tightened it up, did a trigger job, ramped & throated it. And changed out the grip safety. Like a fool I sold it to buy one of the first AMT Longslides. That pistol slide/frame galled the heck out of itself. Sold it and bought a Series 80 out of the Custom Shop. That gun has always shot better then Me.
I'm down to 3 1911's these days. That Series 80, a Series 70 and a Springfield 1911A stainless.
Guess what I got is all I'll ever need.
That Mini-14 MUST be the exception to the rule that all Mini's are inaccurate. First time from the bench it shot under 1 1/2" at 100yrds with REM 50gr SP's. Now I load Sierra 55gr SP over IMR3031. Yes, IMR3031.
I know it takes a drop tube, but really accurate in My Armalite too.
That Handi-Rifle will group the same as the S-A's.
3 shot groups at 100yrds into 1 1/2" - 1 1/4". The Mini does have an after market peep and a bit of an action job.
As far a 1911's go I started on My own Shooting/Reloading/Casting sans family about 1975. 2nd gun/1st pistol was a OLD Navy 1911 that I got from an OLD Navy Chief. It rattled, first shot and it Bit Me. When I got home, Dad tightened it up, did a trigger job, ramped & throated it. And changed out the grip safety. Like a fool I sold it to buy one of the first AMT Longslides. That pistol slide/frame galled the heck out of itself. Sold it and bought a Series 80 out of the Custom Shop. That gun has always shot better then Me.
I'm down to 3 1911's these days. That Series 80, a Series 70 and a Springfield 1911A stainless.
Guess what I got is all I'll ever need.
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Mitty38
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Going up to the gun store to look at a Tisas tomorrow, after the son and I go for lobster.
They have a commander model at Fin Feather Fir for under $300. Don't think it would be much of a gun for that.
"Tisas" just sounds like a sneezed and shart in unison. When I try and pronounce it. The advertisement says it's is basic A model with fixed sights and Creecoat finish, so that's a negative. I want the ability to at least immediately add Novac sights.
However it does have a hammer forged steel frame.
But
They also have a bunch of Kimber's.
I do not know what it is about Kimber, no basis in fact. But Something in my head wants to group them with George Jennings Creations?
However I could just sell a kidney and buy a Less Baer. Then Wait 6 months to get it.
They have a commander model at Fin Feather Fir for under $300. Don't think it would be much of a gun for that.
"Tisas" just sounds like a sneezed and shart in unison. When I try and pronounce it. The advertisement says it's is basic A model with fixed sights and Creecoat finish, so that's a negative. I want the ability to at least immediately add Novac sights.
However it does have a hammer forged steel frame.
But
They also have a bunch of Kimber's.
I do not know what it is about Kimber, no basis in fact. But Something in my head wants to group them with George Jennings Creations?
However I could just sell a kidney and buy a Less Baer. Then Wait 6 months to get it.
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Want Novak sights? But something with them.
I would save up and get what you want up front, buyers remorse sucks. When I got my lathe my wife told me to spend enough that I didn’t say “I wish I woulda” a year later.
They ain’t cheap but a Dan Wesson is a heck of a nice 1911. Kimber doesn’t make a bad gun either.
I would save up and get what you want up front, buyers remorse sucks. When I got my lathe my wife told me to spend enough that I didn’t say “I wish I woulda” a year later.
They ain’t cheap but a Dan Wesson is a heck of a nice 1911. Kimber doesn’t make a bad gun either.
Mitty38
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Ye I know Kimber is ok. But I just get this feeling, when I look at cases full of them at the local box store, all shiny and different color grips. Seams everyone around here that has 1911's always has a sale or rebate on them. YsKinda a flash back to a 1980's pawn shop experience. No basis in reality just a mental glitch.
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Petrol & Powder
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OK - SLOW DOWN.
Tisas is Turkish, and that's not bad. The Turks build some good firearms. But you are not going to get a new 1911 for $300, so get that out of your mind.
If you want Novak sights on it........PUT Novak sight on it and pay for that. There is no free lunch. If you want something, pay for it.
Kimber is really nothing more than a U.S. company that makes clones of 1911 pistols and some other stuff. Ignore the "Big Box Store" display cases and look at the actual pistols. There's some good there and you know the cost. Make your decision accordingly.
I still think the Ruger SR1911 is a LOT of gun for the money. Make your own decision.
Springfield Armory makes nice 1911 clone but I think their pricing is high for what you get. YMMV
I would NOT buy a Colt right now. Maybe CZ will right that ship but now is not the time to buy something with Colt stamped on it.
Tisas is Turkish, and that's not bad. The Turks build some good firearms. But you are not going to get a new 1911 for $300, so get that out of your mind.
If you want Novak sights on it........PUT Novak sight on it and pay for that. There is no free lunch. If you want something, pay for it.
Kimber is really nothing more than a U.S. company that makes clones of 1911 pistols and some other stuff. Ignore the "Big Box Store" display cases and look at the actual pistols. There's some good there and you know the cost. Make your decision accordingly.
I still think the Ruger SR1911 is a LOT of gun for the money. Make your own decision.
Springfield Armory makes nice 1911 clone but I think their pricing is high for what you get. YMMV
I would NOT buy a Colt right now. Maybe CZ will right that ship but now is not the time to buy something with Colt stamped on it.
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Personally, I think the Turks are seriously metallurgicaly umm, unsophisticated. I am seriously phobic and mistrustful of Turkish industry. I feel the same way about India as well. This is a holdover from my days working for a heavy-duty engine parts importer and wholesaler.
I would not buy a turkish made firearm.
Kimber is a good solid pistol.
Spend that money for a GOOD gun. Springfield is pricey now, but still a very good gun. Have no experience of Ruger 1911's, but from 60yrs of owning Rugers I'd buy one.
Sights come after the purchase of a !911. The only ones I ever liked that came on a 1911 were on a Gold Cup. Ever other 1911 I've ever owned had the sights changed
Kimber is a good solid pistol.
Spend that money for a GOOD gun. Springfield is pricey now, but still a very good gun. Have no experience of Ruger 1911's, but from 60yrs of owning Rugers I'd buy one.
Sights come after the purchase of a !911. The only ones I ever liked that came on a 1911 were on a Gold Cup. Ever other 1911 I've ever owned had the sights changed
Mitty38
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Going to keep the money home today. Just looking. Learning.
Sorry, but you can get a new 1911 in 45acp, for $300 bucks.
https://www.finfeatherfur.com/sds-imports-model-tisas-1911a1-service-special-45-acp-auto-5-7-rounds/
Here is the New 1911 I was talking about for $ 300 bucks.
Don't think the Tisa is much of a gun, if there selling them at that price. But gat to go take a look see.
However they probably got a bulk deal, they are a pretty big chain around here.
Knowing people would see what they are.
Then trying to upsell to the Kimber they have next to it for $600 to $800 bucks.
Classic upsell.
But we are going to find out this afternoon. The local store will have 50 in stock today and I am being there when the door opens.
Sorry, but you can get a new 1911 in 45acp, for $300 bucks.
https://www.finfeatherfur.com/sds-imports-model-tisas-1911a1-service-special-45-acp-auto-5-7-rounds/
Here is the New 1911 I was talking about for $ 300 bucks.
Don't think the Tisa is much of a gun, if there selling them at that price. But gat to go take a look see.
However they probably got a bulk deal, they are a pretty big chain around here.
Knowing people would see what they are.
Then trying to upsell to the Kimber they have next to it for $600 to $800 bucks.
Classic upsell.
But we are going to find out this afternoon. The local store will have 50 in stock today and I am being there when the door opens.
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Petrol & Powder
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$300 + State Sales Tax, + Federal Excise Tax + any transfer fees.....
richhodg66
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No experience, but the Turks are importing a bunch of shotguns now, the break open ones I've looked at seem pretty good and I don't hear bad reviews of them. Been meaning to drop by Academy and pick up one of the little Yildiz .410 singles for a while now.
How hard can it be to produce a decent gun with a solid design like this?
How hard can it be to produce a decent gun with a solid design like this?
hporter
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My CZ over and under 20ga is Turkish made. I have had no issues and it works well. It's not as nice as my Ruger Red Label 28ga, but I don't expect it to be at that price point.
1911's. I am with you Mitty - it was love at first sight when I first gazed on a Colt Combat Commander. And I will eventually buy one.
But - I started with a Ruger 1911 Government length. It is a great gun, smooth and accurate. Then to help the "wants" for that Commander, I bought a Ruger Commander length 1911. If possible, it is even nicer than the Government length. The whole engineering team I was on at the time had just bought Kimbers. They all shot my new Ruger and kept asking me what I paid for it. The Kimbers they bought were all top shelf, and beautiful guns. But my Ruger shot just as well, for "a lot" less money....
Then I bought a Rock Island Arsenal 1911 in 9mm with a commander length barrel. It has been 100% reliable, but a lot rougher finished than my Ruger. But I don't think I spent much more than $300 for it. Bought a commander hammer and extended beavertail from Brownells and it has been a very good gun in my opinion.
And having said that, I will probably eventually sell all three and buy a Colt Commander. Just because I "have to" have one at least once in my life.
Those Turkish Hi-Powers look real nice though. I am sure the 1911's are well made too. Haven't the Turks been building CZ-75's that have been imported for many years?
1911's. I am with you Mitty - it was love at first sight when I first gazed on a Colt Combat Commander. And I will eventually buy one.
But - I started with a Ruger 1911 Government length. It is a great gun, smooth and accurate. Then to help the "wants" for that Commander, I bought a Ruger Commander length 1911. If possible, it is even nicer than the Government length. The whole engineering team I was on at the time had just bought Kimbers. They all shot my new Ruger and kept asking me what I paid for it. The Kimbers they bought were all top shelf, and beautiful guns. But my Ruger shot just as well, for "a lot" less money....
Then I bought a Rock Island Arsenal 1911 in 9mm with a commander length barrel. It has been 100% reliable, but a lot rougher finished than my Ruger. But I don't think I spent much more than $300 for it. Bought a commander hammer and extended beavertail from Brownells and it has been a very good gun in my opinion.
And having said that, I will probably eventually sell all three and buy a Colt Commander. Just because I "have to" have one at least once in my life.
Those Turkish Hi-Powers look real nice though. I am sure the 1911's are well made too. Haven't the Turks been building CZ-75's that have been imported for many years?
Petrol & Powder
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I've had a bunch of 1911 pistols over the years including a few Colt Commanders from Hartford that had the prancing pony on the side.
One was a brand-new lightweight Commander from the Colt Custom shop. That pistol was the most overpriced piece of junk I ever owned and I was happy to see it go down the road. Another was a stainless-steel Colt Combat Commander (all steel) that was sort of average. And the third was a used early 1970’s vintage, blued, lightweight Commander that was a great pistol. I foolishly sold that one to buy the Custom Shop model. (mistake)
I like the concept of the Commander length slide (4.25” barrel). That “Commander” sized pistol is seen replicated throughout the world of carry pistols in models such as the Glock 19/23, SIG 225/228, and countless others. The pattern includes enough grip to hold onto, enough barrel length & sight radius for good shooting, but not too big overall. It’s a good compromise in size, capacity, power, and accuracy for a carry gun.
For a carry pistol, the lightweight frame is the way to go. That is the classic – carried a lot, shot a little, platform.
If you are going to put a lot of rounds through the gun, the steel frame models are the way to go. If you are going to put a lot of rounds through the gun and it will mainly be a range/target gun – the full size 5” slide gives you a little more sight radius and mass.
I’m hoping that CZ can right the ship and bring some value back to the Colt name. In the meantime, there are far better options in the 1911 arena.
One was a brand-new lightweight Commander from the Colt Custom shop. That pistol was the most overpriced piece of junk I ever owned and I was happy to see it go down the road. Another was a stainless-steel Colt Combat Commander (all steel) that was sort of average. And the third was a used early 1970’s vintage, blued, lightweight Commander that was a great pistol. I foolishly sold that one to buy the Custom Shop model. (mistake)
I like the concept of the Commander length slide (4.25” barrel). That “Commander” sized pistol is seen replicated throughout the world of carry pistols in models such as the Glock 19/23, SIG 225/228, and countless others. The pattern includes enough grip to hold onto, enough barrel length & sight radius for good shooting, but not too big overall. It’s a good compromise in size, capacity, power, and accuracy for a carry gun.
For a carry pistol, the lightweight frame is the way to go. That is the classic – carried a lot, shot a little, platform.
If you are going to put a lot of rounds through the gun, the steel frame models are the way to go. If you are going to put a lot of rounds through the gun and it will mainly be a range/target gun – the full size 5” slide gives you a little more sight radius and mass.
I’m hoping that CZ can right the ship and bring some value back to the Colt name. In the meantime, there are far better options in the 1911 arena.