Accurate 45-200H

[Creeker]

I purchased this mould while operating Dry Creek Bullet Works. I sold several of these bullets but never used them myself. Now, since I have plenty of time, I decided to shoot a few of them. The mould was sold with most of my moulds but since Harles lives close I borrow some of my [his] stuff from time to time. The mould is one of the best I've owned & cast a near perfect bullet.

I purposed a few months back to master a sixgun I've owned since 1976, a Liberty Model Ruger 45 Colt. I purchased a 45 ACP cylinder for this gun & fitted it. I've loaded & fired many Lyman 452374 bullets with 5 grains of Promo in ACP brass over the last few months. While is shot OK it wasn't a tack driver.

So I loaded some of the 45-200H bullets also with Promo. I'm thinking I backed the charge off to 4.5 grains but failed to write it down but the measure is still set so I'll know when I load the next batch. Any way I was out shooting my H&R Handi 30-30 & a 357 Mag Thursday & while there tried the new loads & sighted my 45.

Here's a few pictures.

The mould
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The bullet


The Ruger


The target

 

[Brad]

Looks a bunch like an HG 68. I have a copy by MP and it is a good shooter.
Never tried Promo in 45 ACP, might have to give it a go. Looks like it worked well for you, maybe my 1911 will like it too.

 

[Ian]

I've been eyeing that mould number for a while. I have the MP mould too, but it is a capital headache to cast with due to the 90° front band angle. I see someone took the time to FIX that on the Accurate version, and also rounded the edge of the meplat a lot more, which were the two changes I would have done myself. Looks like it did the trick!

 

[Ben]

A poor man's H & G 68

While not an identical copy of the H & G # 68, this Lee, 200 gr. SWC certainly shoots well out of my Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8 " , 45 ACP revolver. ( Mine is the convertible model with 2 cylinders,----- 45 ACP and 45 Colt ).

I'm not a real big fan of bevel base bullets. Just seems like an easy route for your lube to travel under the base of the bullet during the lube/sizing process. A headache for me. I can't see any real advantage to a bevel base bullet.

As a consequence, I removed the bevel base on this 2 cavity, Lee , H & G
clone mould ( $ 19.00 ). It cast well and shoots well after having the bevel base removed from the mould. I get a nice round .454 " bullet from the mould and after sizing a perfect .4525 " cast bullet . I'm anxious to try these in the .45 Colt also.

Ben















A .451" diameter cast bullet is snug in the mouths of all of my 6 cylinder throats in the ACP cylinder.

I shoot a .4525 " dia. cast bullet.

My revolver is EXTREMELY accurate ! !

 

[Ben]

The Lee 200 gr. ( H & G Clone ) bullet also shoots real well out of my Stainless , AMT Pocket , 45 ACP.

380 ACP size package, but 45 ACP power. A 6 shot pistol.
It is not a 25 yard pistol, but at 7 yards, it is deadly.

I like it !

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[Pistolero]

Yes, another copy/clone of the H&G 68, a GREAT design.

I and others have reported that our BH convertibles shoot most accurately with .45 ACP, notably
better than .45 Colt. Why? No idea, really, although the long cylindrical section forward of
the chamber seems to actually help rather than hurt, at least that seems to be the effect. Of
course, that is AFTER I reamed the throats out to .452. The original .449 and .450 for the
two cylinders was less than wonderful, with notable fliers in every group.

Nice mold, great design, great results. I would suggest 4.0-4.5gr of Titegroup as something worth
trying, too.

I have the MP version, one from Veral that is a real gem, and a two cav and 4 cav versions
from H&G itself. All are excellent bullets, does not seem to make a lot of difference which
one I use, they work well. Properly loaded, this bullet is a 100% feeder in ALMOST any
1911..... Ian has taught me to never say "always".

Ben --
That is only the second .45 BU that I have ever "seen". My brother has had one for
many years, had never seen or even heard of another one. No target piece, and pretty
heavy to carry, but when the bang happens, that weight is appreciated. And I never want
to be in front of one.

Bill

 

[Creeker]

Good lookin' bullet & sixgun Ben but if you keep dumping those cast boolits on your overalls you're gonna wear them out.

 

[Ian]

I'm still scratching my head over that little AMT piece. Is that Arcadia Machine Tool? The same company that copied the Ruger 10-22 in all-stainless steel, and also produced automatic powder dispensers?

Bill, I spent a bit of time studying .45 ACP and .45 Colt internal ballistics calculations via QuickLOAD recently, and think I have a plausible explanation for the convertibles seeming to group better with the ACP cylinder. It boils down to pressure. Most suitable powders will peak pressure in the rimmed cartridge either just before or as the bullet base crosses the cylinder gap. With the ACP and a SAA-length cylinder, pressure is half of peak by the time the bullet base is traversing the gap with most suitable powders.

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

Creeker how can you keep a used mold looking that nice. With the color change after breakin, and mold lubes my molds always look so dingy? I know there are chemicals that will help remove lead splatters. Which I have used to remove tined on lead in brass molds.
But there is no way I can keep a mold as clean looking as the one you showed.
Sorry for the thread drift

 

[Creeker]

Nice mold, great design, great results. I would suggest 4.0-4.5gr of Titegroup as something worth
trying, too.

May just try that.

 

[Creeker]

Creeker how can you keep a used mold looking that nice.

The mould was fairly new then but I put nothing on my moulds except a little bull plate lube on the hinge points & some graphite between the sprue plate & mould top. They will change color a little but for the most part they stay looking 'bout the same.

 

[Ben]

Ben --
That is only the second .45 BU that I have ever "seen". My brother has had one for
many years, had never seen or even heard of another one. No target piece, and pretty
heavy to carry, but when the bang happens, that weight is appreciated. And I never want
to be in front of one.

Bill

They are hard to find.
I've already had about 4 or 5 people ( some were LE officers ) see the gun and wanted to buy it on the spot. Seems that a lot of LE officers know about the gun and it is popular ( as a back up piece ) with the ones that already carry a Glock 21.

Ben

 

[Pistolero]

Ian,

That makes some sense on why the .45 ACP will usually out-group the .45 Colt in the same
gun. Better than any theory I have been able to come up with - which is just that the long
throat lets the bullet get stabilized really straight before it slams into the rifling.... maybe both
are true.

SOMETHING makes it shoot better.

Bill

 

[Ian]

Just a theory, and I agree both ideas likely contribute. For whatever reason, I was astonished when changing to the ACP cylinder in my Uberti Cattleman to find groups at 25 yards 1/3 the size....with a bunch of odds and ends handloads from an ammo-shelf cleaning no less.

 

[Ben]

I'm still scratching my head over that little AMT piece. Is that Arcadia Machine Tool? The same company that copied the Ruger 10-22 in all-stainless steel, and also produced automatic powder dispensers?

Yes, that is the company !

Ben

 

[Ian]

Had no idea they made .45s. Neat.

 

[Ben]

I don't believe that AMT makes this pistol anymore ? ?

 

[Pistolero]

I think they have been out of print for many years.

Bill

 

[9.3X62AL]

They had more than their share of problems as a company. It is a pretty checkered history, to include "membership" within that &^*% "Ring Of Fire" witch-hunt against pistol-makers based in Southern California during the 1990s.

 

[Pistolero]

Al,

I have literally no idea what you mean - other than understanding that Cali govt hates guns, gun owners and
gun makers. Could you elaborate a bit? No idea what "ring of fire" relates to. Sounds like some sort of
attack by Cali on gunmakers. Never heard of it. Left my home state many, many years ago and only
visit friends and relatives occasionally, getting longer between trips as time passes and relatives also
pass.

Bill