Broken slide stop
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freebullet
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That is obscene!
That dudes title should be- "head of customer drive offs"
I'm quite irritated & it's not my gun. I do believe I'd let them know my true feelings on the matter.
I'm adding that to my "junky guns I won't buy list"
Inexcusable imo. I'd have to fix it just to trade it off.
THANK GOD it didn't fail while trying to protect yourself or family.
I'd recommend a 1911 in 9mm or an xd as a suitable replacement part. The p938 is a good 1911 clone, really like that one although she rarely let's me carry it.
I'd be inclined to send Cz a pic of whatever replacement I bought & explain how most gun manufacturers today have a lifetime warranty. This known issue with their guns should be recalled.
Just terrible. The freaking spring is a wear item not the stop, seems they are confused how guns are supposed to work all together.
whole darn range of emotions on that one lol.
Sorry your in that spot, Brad.
That dudes title should be- "head of customer drive offs"
I'm quite irritated & it's not my gun. I do believe I'd let them know my true feelings on the matter.
I'm adding that to my "junky guns I won't buy list"
Inexcusable imo. I'd have to fix it just to trade it off.
THANK GOD it didn't fail while trying to protect yourself or family.
I'd recommend a 1911 in 9mm or an xd as a suitable replacement part. The p938 is a good 1911 clone, really like that one although she rarely let's me carry it.
I'd be inclined to send Cz a pic of whatever replacement I bought & explain how most gun manufacturers today have a lifetime warranty. This known issue with their guns should be recalled.
Just terrible. The freaking spring is a wear item not the stop, seems they are confused how guns are supposed to work all together.
whole darn range of emotions on that one lol. Sorry your in that spot, Brad.
Pistolero
Well-Known Member
P938 is NOT any sort of a 1911, other than generally looking like a smaller version. I have worked on
1911s for 35 years, and have worked on one 938, and it isn't a 1911 inside. The design of the 938 is a
9mm stretch of the P238, which is a copy of the Colt Mustang. I believe that I read that the
Colt Mustang is a clone of the Astra .380 design of the 1920s or 1930s, I forget, which wasn't particularly
successful. I will try to find that source. I think it was Am Rifleman in the last year or two.
Didn't find the Am Rifleman article, but did find that the Colt was based on the Star Model
S, first produced in 1941, ended in 1965. This is the basis for the Colt Government 380, which begot
the Mustang and Pocketlite. When Colt dropped it, just as the CCW boom started
up (Colt, always headed in the wrong marketing direction), a few years later Sig picked it up
and did it better. Now Kimber makes a version, and Sig stretched it to the 938 in 9mm.
Colt went to a 1911 type internal extractor, the Star had and external like their Model B.
Sig has the same extractor, as does Kimber. I have a Star B, should look more closely
at it, compare to wife's Sig 238. I am guessing that the Star S/SS is mostly based off of the
Star B, but need to look at it. Pocket .380s were not popular in that time in the USA,
CCW was generally illegal.
The Star S/Colt Govt 380/Mustang/P238/P938/Kimber Micros generally look like and kinda-sorta based
on 1911 on the outside, but no kind of 1911 inside.
Bill
1911s for 35 years, and have worked on one 938, and it isn't a 1911 inside. The design of the 938 is a
9mm stretch of the P238, which is a copy of the Colt Mustang. I believe that I read that the
Colt Mustang is a clone of the Astra .380 design of the 1920s or 1930s, I forget, which wasn't particularly
successful. I will try to find that source. I think it was Am Rifleman in the last year or two.
Didn't find the Am Rifleman article, but did find that the Colt was based on the Star Model
S, first produced in 1941, ended in 1965. This is the basis for the Colt Government 380, which begot
the Mustang and Pocketlite. When Colt dropped it, just as the CCW boom started
up (Colt, always headed in the wrong marketing direction), a few years later Sig picked it up
and did it better. Now Kimber makes a version, and Sig stretched it to the 938 in 9mm.
Colt went to a 1911 type internal extractor, the Star had and external like their Model B.
Sig has the same extractor, as does Kimber. I have a Star B, should look more closely
at it, compare to wife's Sig 238. I am guessing that the Star S/SS is mostly based off of the
Star B, but need to look at it. Pocket .380s were not popular in that time in the USA,
CCW was generally illegal.
The Star S/Colt Govt 380/Mustang/P238/P938/Kimber Micros generally look like and kinda-sorta based
on 1911 on the outside, but no kind of 1911 inside.
Bill
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freebullet
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Clone, as in look like, copy, or mimic. Most 1911's today aren't 1911's at all.
Anyway they are dandy weapons. The p238 & p938 are both great imo & experience. The 938 has about the same round count as Brad earlier mentioned his Cz has without any of the drama he experienced, & the 238 is up to around 14k without a hitch. They seem to be successful today. In fact, planning for another 938 here.
Part of the reason Sig has done better with it than all predecessors is that they followed up. They tweaked, changed, tuned, & improved it the best they could. I'll say the last improvements brought the 238 to a level well beyond the Mustang ever attained. The 938 has enjoyed the same path & Sig has taken care of a lot of folks along the way. That's why I'd recommend them for pockets everywhere.
Colt just dumps you off with it, been there, done that. Sure you can send it in for 3+ months but, don't expect it repaired while there. No bonus mag when it comes back, no second or 3 gen mag improvements, no recoil spring upgrades. Your on your own, sounds near the experience Brad is having with Cz.
Hope Brad gets a slide stop either way. I was shocked by the manufacturer response & won't consider a Cz purchase at all.
Anyway they are dandy weapons. The p238 & p938 are both great imo & experience. The 938 has about the same round count as Brad earlier mentioned his Cz has without any of the drama he experienced, & the 238 is up to around 14k without a hitch. They seem to be successful today. In fact, planning for another 938 here.
Part of the reason Sig has done better with it than all predecessors is that they followed up. They tweaked, changed, tuned, & improved it the best they could. I'll say the last improvements brought the 238 to a level well beyond the Mustang ever attained. The 938 has enjoyed the same path & Sig has taken care of a lot of folks along the way. That's why I'd recommend them for pockets everywhere.
Colt just dumps you off with it, been there, done that. Sure you can send it in for 3+ months but, don't expect it repaired while there. No bonus mag when it comes back, no second or 3 gen mag improvements, no recoil spring upgrades. Your on your own, sounds near the experience Brad is having with Cz.
Hope Brad gets a slide stop either way. I was shocked by the manufacturer response & won't consider a Cz purchase at all.
Pistolero
Well-Known Member
Yes, they are excellent. My wife carries a P238, excellent and reliable. Highly recommended. Yes, agree that they
are better than what Colt did. I have several friend with Colts, and some worked, some did not.
Sorry to disagree, but most 1911s today are exactly or almost exactly 1911s. There are very few (S&W comes to mind) with
a different extractor, and a few companies have added some firing pin safeties, but almost all will take nearly all standard
1911 internal parts and work like a 1911. Several Taurus 1911 internal parts are a bit different, but replacing them with
quality 1911 parts fixes the problems, and they drop in as much as any gun parts drop in.
The smaller ones are nothing at all like a 1911, pivoting trigger, no grip safety, single trigger bar, different sear and
disconnector design, different safety design, different safety detent design. Essentially the whole lower is a totally
different design other than mag release. Not necessarily bad, but certainly entirely different.
Bill
are better than what Colt did. I have several friend with Colts, and some worked, some did not.
Sorry to disagree, but most 1911s today are exactly or almost exactly 1911s. There are very few (S&W comes to mind) with
a different extractor, and a few companies have added some firing pin safeties, but almost all will take nearly all standard
1911 internal parts and work like a 1911. Several Taurus 1911 internal parts are a bit different, but replacing them with
quality 1911 parts fixes the problems, and they drop in as much as any gun parts drop in.
The smaller ones are nothing at all like a 1911, pivoting trigger, no grip safety, single trigger bar, different sear and
disconnector design, different safety design, different safety detent design. Essentially the whole lower is a totally
different design other than mag release. Not necessarily bad, but certainly entirely different.
Bill
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freebullet
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No need to be. Your welcome to do so whenever you see things different.
I see your passionate about 1911's. I wasn't trying to start an argument calling them 1911 clones. I meant it about the as looks, feel, user interface( up on down off single action). Clone didn't refer to all internal parts. As Brad has a 1911 it would look & feel like a mini clone of such and operate similar.
So basically it sounds like my very broad clone descriptor might have thrown you off. Sorry bout that, I tend to throw'em all (up on, down off, single action) in the same group.
I am familiar with the internals of them and know they are different inside. I put a metal trigger in the 238 & have tuned up numerous 1911 & 1911 styled guns of all different sizes.
A large part of why I bought the CZ is the way it fits my hand and points for me. It is about perfect. Other than the slide stop breaking the pistol has functioned as it should.
I will say that never again will I totally strip it down. Tons of little bitty pieces and a few springs that are damn near impossible to get back in place. I learned my limits here.
I will say that never again will I totally strip it down. Tons of little bitty pieces and a few springs that are damn near impossible to get back in place. I learned my limits here.
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9.3X62AL
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I will keep an eye on my CZ-75B's slide stop. It is in 40 S&W caliber, and has been utterly reliable from its first firing. One failed part does not make a tendency in and of itself. I wonder if CZ-USA has any tracking of failure rate for this rather critical part in service.
I should note that I carry this arm in harm's way as a CCW quite often.
I should note that I carry this arm in harm's way as a CCW quite often.
fiver
Well-Known Member
I've never heard of them breaking before, but I don't get out too often either..
I haven't heard of the Dan Wesson models having any issues either.
I'm gonna look for the spare part pack though.
it's not any different than having some spare AR parts around.
we don't expect them to break but if the parts are available might as well take advantage of it.
and if y'all wanna be appalled at spare parts non availability you should look for anything from Taurus or for a Rossi 92.
even their approved parts list is either non existent or fully available depending on the ceo's attitude this week.
I haven't heard of the Dan Wesson models having any issues either.
I'm gonna look for the spare part pack though.
it's not any different than having some spare AR parts around.
we don't expect them to break but if the parts are available might as well take advantage of it.
and if y'all wanna be appalled at spare parts non availability you should look for anything from Taurus or for a Rossi 92.
even their approved parts list is either non existent or fully available depending on the ceo's attitude this week.
Ian
Notorious member
After hearing other's stories about this, and most of the authorized repair gunsmiths telling Rossi to take a hike over insufficient compensation, that sealed the deal for me never owning a Rossi. Not too fond of Taurus, either, and the one I have is going down the river.
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9.3X62AL
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SIX slide stops?? How did Bob Dylan term it--"Ya don't need a weatherman, to tell which way the wind blows" ? Duly noted.
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freebullet
Guest
Well, hopefully it was a fluke.
If not, at your current usage rate you'll go through 6 slide stops in 18 years at the current use level.
If I really loved the gun & wanted to keep it I'd order 2 slide stops & do a 3k round endurance test. That's just my take on it.
If not, at your current usage rate you'll go through 6 slide stops in 18 years at the current use level.
If I really loved the gun & wanted to keep it I'd order 2 slide stops & do a 3k round endurance test. That's just my take on it.