It did. It tends to throw far fewer straight back at my head. Most of my ejection pattern issues are Brad centric. My grip changes during a string of fire and cases land in different places due to that.
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Pistolero
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I am sure you know that the grip should be consistent....but it takes practice.
None of my 1911s throw it at me, thank goodness. I shot a Glock .40 one time....had half the cases hit me in the face. That was just
ONE of the many things that I found unpleasant about that pistol, vowing to never own one.
Bill
None of my 1911s throw it at me, thank goodness. I shot a Glock .40 one time....had half the cases hit me in the face. That was just
ONE of the many things that I found unpleasant about that pistol, vowing to never own one.
Bill
I have taken a few cases off the glasses, another reason to always have them on when shooting.
My CZ is quite polite and throws cases ina very consistant pattern.
I'm thinking of getting different grips for my 1911. It currently has a Pachmyar rubber wrap around. I wonder if something a little fatter would help me.
My CZ is quite polite and throws cases ina very consistant pattern.
I'm thinking of getting different grips for my 1911. It currently has a Pachmyar rubber wrap around. I wonder if something a little fatter would help me.
Pistolero
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Depends on hand size. I have large hands and IMO the Pach wrap around make
the 1911 grips too big. Have you tried just ordinary checkered "normal grips"?
My Ruger Commander LW came with thin wood grips and I kinda like them, although will
have to shoot them some more to be certain. The rubber strip on the front of
the Pachs makes the grip a bit long front to back,too.
Bill
the 1911 grips too big. Have you tried just ordinary checkered "normal grips"?
My Ruger Commander LW came with thin wood grips and I kinda like them, although will
have to shoot them some more to be certain. The rubber strip on the front of
the Pachs makes the grip a bit long front to back,too.
Bill
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How much difference does an arched mainspring housing make? Mine is flat.
Bill, I will try some plain wood grips. I want something nicer than the rubber ones I have.
Fiver, there isn't a Rosie joke in there, Rosie IS the joke. Yuck, grips that sweat on you!
Bill, I will try some plain wood grips. I want something nicer than the rubber ones I have.
Fiver, there isn't a Rosie joke in there, Rosie IS the joke. Yuck, grips that sweat on you!
Pistolero
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The addition of the arched mainspring housing housing was, IMO, a silly move. The intent
was to make the 1911 shoot higher, more to where the shooter was looking, when holding at waist level
and just blasting away, no use of sights --- "point shooting". IMO, an entirely bogus concept
if you intend to hit, at least beyond 2-3 yds. After that, bring it up to eye level and get at
least a flash sight picture. Not to say that nobody can hit that way, but very, very few of us
are McGivern or Jordan, or ever could be, even with lots of practice. I think this expectation
was a big contributor to the "you can't hit anything with a .45 Colt" idea which was rampant
among WW2 vets. VERY little training, no hearing protection and just blazing away from the
hip like they saw their heroes do in the movies produced no hits.
Some folks like the arched MS housing, I do not. However, this is purely a personal preference
issue, ergonomics, there is no effect on the function. It does reduce the wrap of the shorter
ring and little fingers, something which seems like a negative to me.
Another thing about the rubber grips. If you are drawing in competition (or for real life self
defense in a hurry) and you get a less than perfect initial grip, it is difficult to adjust the grip
in your hand with the high friction rubber grips, and you can shoot a whole string with the gun
not grasped properly. Sucks. Ask me how I know this.
Bill
was to make the 1911 shoot higher, more to where the shooter was looking, when holding at waist level
and just blasting away, no use of sights --- "point shooting". IMO, an entirely bogus concept
if you intend to hit, at least beyond 2-3 yds. After that, bring it up to eye level and get at
least a flash sight picture. Not to say that nobody can hit that way, but very, very few of us
are McGivern or Jordan, or ever could be, even with lots of practice. I think this expectation
was a big contributor to the "you can't hit anything with a .45 Colt" idea which was rampant
among WW2 vets. VERY little training, no hearing protection and just blazing away from the
hip like they saw their heroes do in the movies produced no hits.
Some folks like the arched MS housing, I do not. However, this is purely a personal preference
issue, ergonomics, there is no effect on the function. It does reduce the wrap of the shorter
ring and little fingers, something which seems like a negative to me.
Another thing about the rubber grips. If you are drawing in competition (or for real life self
defense in a hurry) and you get a less than perfect initial grip, it is difficult to adjust the grip
in your hand with the high friction rubber grips, and you can shoot a whole string with the gun
not grasped properly. Sucks. Ask me how I know this.
Bill
Pistolero
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As to the WW2 vets' opinion of the accuracy of the 1911, I have had them say that you
couldn't hit a man at 25 yds with one, which is patently untrue. Perhaps THEY couldn't
hit a man at 25 yds, but it was not the gun's fault. My personal surplus Ithaca 1911 in
dead stock military condition with surplus ball would do a out 6" at 25 yds every time. Not
target accuracy, but you will never miss a man at 25 yds if you aim and pull the trigger well.
Recently read a book about an officer who went ashore at Normandy on day 4 or so, and
was leading a battalion as they moved through the hedgerow country. He ran into a couple
of Germans at short range in a doorway and emptied his .45 Colt at them with no effect (from
cover). He was so angry that he literally threw the gun at them, missing again. A soldier
nearby said, "Can I have that gun?", and when answered in the affirmative, he killed the two
Germans with one shot each from his Garand and walked over and retrieved the Colt.
I bet the second guy actually knew how to shoot a pistol before he entered the Army, and knew
it might come in handy. The officer found a disused Garand and carried it until wounded and
evacuated.
This is why most officers wound up using rifles until the M1 Carbine became available. Poor/nonexistent
training meant the 1911 was nearly useless to them, where a long gun, with minimal training is
far easier to hit with.
Bill
couldn't hit a man at 25 yds with one, which is patently untrue. Perhaps THEY couldn't
hit a man at 25 yds, but it was not the gun's fault. My personal surplus Ithaca 1911 in
dead stock military condition with surplus ball would do a out 6" at 25 yds every time. Not
target accuracy, but you will never miss a man at 25 yds if you aim and pull the trigger well.
Recently read a book about an officer who went ashore at Normandy on day 4 or so, and
was leading a battalion as they moved through the hedgerow country. He ran into a couple
of Germans at short range in a doorway and emptied his .45 Colt at them with no effect (from
cover). He was so angry that he literally threw the gun at them, missing again. A soldier
nearby said, "Can I have that gun?", and when answered in the affirmative, he killed the two
Germans with one shot each from his Garand and walked over and retrieved the Colt.
I bet the second guy actually knew how to shoot a pistol before he entered the Army, and knew
it might come in handy. The officer found a disused Garand and carried it until wounded and
evacuated.
This is why most officers wound up using rifles until the M1 Carbine became available. Poor/nonexistent
training meant the 1911 was nearly useless to them, where a long gun, with minimal training is
far easier to hit with.
Bill
Pistolero
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Always shoot with two hands, if possible. Always use a tight grip. Thumb root high on right hand, against
the grip safety, left hand wrapped on top of right fingers below the trigger guard, and both thumbs pointing
at the target.
Once you have a grip, the gun should not move in the hand during firing sequence.
I will visit Belleview some time this spring or summer and we will go out to the range
and have some fun.
Bill
the grip safety, left hand wrapped on top of right fingers below the trigger guard, and both thumbs pointing
at the target.
Once you have a grip, the gun should not move in the hand during firing sequence.
I will visit Belleview some time this spring or summer and we will go out to the range
and have some fun.
Bill
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Pistolero
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Watch how Cruise does this shooting. The first guy is within a yard or so, so no aiming needed.
The other guy is 3 yds or less and the gun comes up to eyeline, sights are used. Only the finishing
shot is not aimed, and one handed because he has the briefcase.
Cruise has clearly been through some good training on how to at least look like you know how to
run a 1911. He looks good.
Bill
The other guy is 3 yds or less and the gun comes up to eyeline, sights are used. Only the finishing
shot is not aimed, and one handed because he has the briefcase.
Cruise has clearly been through some good training on how to at least look like you know how to
run a 1911. He looks good.
Bill
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