MOA is MOA. If you want to hit with consistency at any distance, it is all about shooting the best group size possible with a given firearm/load.Ok,I see what you mean now. Maybe I'll try it in the morning. Well,I like the small groups as well as the next guy. But I'm more interested in longer than 50 yards shooting. Thanks
I quoting Johnny's OP just for reference.How do you determine if the bullets fit your throat ??. How do you check this. And why can't you use a bullet that matches the diameter of a jacketed bullet ??. Seem to me if you powder coat a bullet and size it to jacket diameter it would or should work at least for low node. Thanks
Rob,Not sure why you equate small groups with distances of 50 yds or less. I do my load testing at 100 yds on paper so I know I can put my shots on-target at 500 yds where 1 MOA is 5 inches.
Jeeze! Why did I never think of that?!!!!!! Genius!!!!I take the path with the most fun, for my .30 cal . rifle I have four sizing dies .310 thru .313, the fun part comes when I load 5-10 rounds of each size with the same cases powder, primers etc shoot them and see what works best ONE WILL . No pounding, casting or measuring needed Mr.Target tells it all.
Don't sell yourself short bud. Between you, Fiver and Felix that lightbulb has appeared over my head multiple times. True, sometimes it didn't light up until the 17th time someone explained something to me, but eventually the idea came across.Everything but the "how".
We had a pretty good thread started on defining fit in a rifle throat, what it means and what it looks like when it's good, bad, and ugly, but the person who was the impetus behind it faded away.
I, frankly, am too flabby in that part of the brain anymore to attempt tue description and too happy with the results I get with powder coated bullets to be inspired to delve into the topic of dynamic fit again in earnest. Lots of illustrations would be needed and in the end, only a handful of people in the world would get it, do it, and achieve the results proper dynamic fit can give you. This is further complicated by there being more than one philosophy of what constitutes correct bullet fit in a rifle throat, much depending on the person, their tooling limitations, and are their ultimate goals. Those who already get it learned the hard way, over a lifetime of dedicated experimentation, and don't need my two cents on the subject anyway.
Not all 50 yard groups hold together at longer ranges.MOA is MOA. If you want to hit with consistency at any distance, it is all about shooting the best group size possible with a given firearm/load.
Not sure why you equate small groups with distances of 50 yds or less. I do my load testing at 100 yds on paper so I know I can put my shots on-target at 500 yds where 1 MOA is 5 inches.
I know all about that issue. I didn't mean for my comment to be a slam for anyone. I apologize if it sounded like that..It is also possible that some choose the short range due to mobility issues. With lung issues, the recovery time from that 100 yard walk may take longer for those with COPD as an example. Most that shoot those close targets with light loads also realize that as the bullet slows down before it reaches the 100 yard target, reduced velocity will no longer stablize the bullet in many instances. Just keep the speed up.
Good point, Brett. Even when I shoot for the best group at 100 yds in working up a load, I'm never sure that it will hold up at longer distances. What we have found is that beyond 300 yds is where things rapidly degrade for certain bullets/loads. Back when I was playing with .38-55 a couple bullets I tried did well until I got to 300 and then they fell apart.Not all 50 yard groups hold together at longer ranges.