BURRIS question

[CWLONGSHOT]

Anyone have experience with a Burris FullField II? Spec the 4.5-14x42.
Id like a 14x and ran across this for a real good cost. (I think)

I have a proven Leupold VX III 2.5x10 thats a awesome scope but again would like more power.

I have been gravating to 14x ,on top end, on calibers suitable for distance hunting/shooting

Dont "really" wanna spend on a scope now. But wondered how this Burris's quality or compair to my Leupold.

My buddy is wanting this Leupold for his build.

I cant imagine they could really compare based on costs... But maybe someone more up to date with modern scopes. This Leupold is about twenty...

CW

 

[Petrol & Powder]

When it comes to optics, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

While I will not disparage Burris, I will say that giving up a Leupold for a Burris to gain an additional 2X in magnification will almost certainly not be worth it.

The cost of making a good lens is something that just cannot be reduced without some sacrifice somewhere.

My input would be to keep your current setup.

 

[JonB]

I have a older Burris FullField 6-18 X 50 on my CZ457 (222).
It was a take-off from another rifle I flipped a couple decades ago. Back then I felt I needed that much magnification...well, it's nice to not have to have a spotting scope along. The scope itself is real good quality with very good light gathering abilities, surely as good as a similar level Leupold of similar vintage, obviously newer scopes have better/improved coatings. Now, I really like this Burris scope a lot, but as they are known for, this Burris is heavier than the competition. Now-a-days, I prefer lower magnification scopes, and if I were buying something, it'd be a Leupold 3x-9x, that's what I've put on the two most recent rifles that needed a scope...But also really like the Vortex 4x-12x that I stumbled into, on a clearance deal.

 

[MW65]

I have both older burris ff 3-9, and older leupies... both are quality, with an big edge to leupold. For me, I'd compare replacement cost, as if new for trade value...

Still... similar vintage scopes... both great makes... burris is a solid b+/a-, leupold is the A

 

[RBHarter]

I've been happy with what I've bought in the past .
That said I just didn't like the feel of the Burris long ago . They worked fine and all , see a tool for a job , the field of view may have been the detraction for me .

As for new products , in the last 10 years I've been blown away by the glass quality even in cheaper optics some of which as their lines became more common got more expensive . Take my search for a Scout/EER optic . I settled on an unknown with a couple of reviews . It's a Leatherwood 2-7×32 , I think I paid $125 for it about 6 years ago . No fuzzy edges , duplex , I didn't get the rifle tuned in tight enough to do a responsible 32 click box drill but it was plenty good enough for 100 yd hogs and 200 yd deer . Groups were very consistent but just wouldn't close at full values with the bullets at hand .
They are about $250 now but a Leo fixed 4,6,or 8x are only $325 in EER and pistols .

Offers Vortex decent optics of better than average quality with a 4-12x+ line that starts around $425 .

I have in the stash a Weaver V9 3-9×40 El Paso with the parallax/range finder ring circa 1968 . There's a Tasco 4-12×40 with the parallax/range finder ring circa 1972 , it's a good scope and bounds ahead of the Weaver in the 5C context . It lays in the new advanced coatings I think . In 96-98 I bought a $90 3-9×40 Tasco Pronghorn it was even better than the 4-12 . The lower rung there is unchanged since and so far seems to be solid with good return to settings . Are they Leo's ? No . Do they draw light from over the horizons ? No , but they do reflect on the retical to create a color change contrast in low light . For $80-125 they are good tools .

My disclosure the above is only valid for my 8-9# 308/150 gr/27-2800 fps and less recoil cartridges .

 

[popper]

Burris and Bushnell are owned by vista and from what I find their not honoring warranty anymore ( evidently as of 2010). Made in china as they moved out of Philippines. Scope I have (broken) has really good glass but NO repair facility in US that I know of and I did go to the home office in KC.

 

[MW65]

Burris and Bushnell are owned by vista and from what I find their not honoring warranty anymore ( evidently as of 2010). Made in china as they moved out of Philippines. Scope I have (broken) has really good glass but NO repair facility in US that I know of and I did go to the home office in KC.

My understanding is it is owned by Beretta... per their website.

Also haven't heard any issues about repair/warranty from them... repairs are in Greeley, Colorado... any chance are you mixing the two up?

 

[popper]

Correct, my error. https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/
vista - weaver, redfield, rcbs, tasco, simmons, many more.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Leupold = Lifetime guarantee.

Directly from the Leupold website, " ...if at any time your Leupold riflescope, mounts, red dot, binocular, or spotting scope doesn’t perform, we will repair or replace it for free - whether you're the original owner or not. You don’t need proof of ownership or a warranty card, and there’s no time limit. We do this because we believe in superior quality and craftsmanship, and we’re confident your Leupold won’t let you down."


There is one absolute when it comes to optics - There is NO free lunch, everything is a compromise"
Want more magnification? - give up some field of view and usually some light transmission.
Want more eye relief? - give up some range of magnification.
Want repeatable adjustments and a reticle that will hold a zero year after year? - be prepared to pay some more money.
Want lightweight? - Be prepared to pay some more money OR give up some durability.
Want to decrease the amount of lost light transmission? - be prepared to pay for better and more extensive lens coatings.
And the list goes on.

When it comes to optics, you pay for everything somewhere. You may pay in the form of actual money. You may pay in the loss of some other performance (like trading magnification for field of view). You may pay in weight. You may pay in durability. But rest assured - You will pay somehow. There's no free lunch. All of the science involved was settled centuries ago and all of the manufacturing comes down to what you are willing to pay for. There's no magic involved.

 

[L Ross]

I am a Leupold fan. That said, I have one Leupold 6X target scope, (6X because of CBA restrictions), and it has chromatic aberration. I can see it and all of my shooting friends can see it. All around the outer edge of the view through the scope there is a tint of greenish light and a tiny amount of bending of vertical lines. Sent back to Leupold expecting a new scope, nope a letter saying it meets their specifications and a bunch of boxes checked by the technician as observed okay.

I looked at the scope, now with a new scratch from a screw driver blade and can still see the aberration. Amused I am not.

 

[CZ93X62]

Leupolds go on my serious rifles, Burris go on my fun rifles. I have one Swarovski atop my 243, it is a fine scope indeed--but only slightly better (brighter) than my Leupolds that cost 1/3 less (VX-III). I agree that you most certainly get what you pay for when buying optics. Leupolds are a lot like Glocks--a whole lot of performance per dollar spent, and there are in-country repair facilities when the need arises--which is darn seldom, if ever.

 

[Ian]

Correct, my error. https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/
vista - weaver, redfield, rcbs, tasco, simmons, many more.

MANY more. Weaver scopes are gone now, Vista dropped the line except for mounts and bases because too many competing brands for price point. Tasco is the lowest now, nothing better than $50 scopes available, Bushnell is the next rung up, then Simmons, and so on. Can't get a Bushnell of competitive quality to Simmons anymore, nor a Tasco of competing quality to a higher end Bushnell, real shame. The Jap Tascos were pretty good. Welcome to the Conglomerate, your market has been assimilated.

 

[Jeff H]

I'd hang on to any "proven" older scope.

@CWLONGSHOT , you are not an OLD man (I mean like REALLY old), and you still have a wide range of growing interests as well. Your tastes and preferences may change another time or two in your life. My personal upper-limit preference is 6x or 7x, but I have several 3 - 9s. I can stop cranking anytime between 3 and 9.

That 2 - 10 is/will be a very versatile scope you could put on anything from a 22 LR for squirrel to a 338-06 for moose, or a 400 yard varmint rifle. I can't count the combined years I've sat on a "new" rifle, waiting for the funds to buy a reasonably compatible scope. I eventually just started keeping a good 3 - 9 handy for that reason. 3 - 9 because they have been traditionally cheaper and easier to find. A 2 - 10 would be that much better, regardless of whatever "deal-of-the-day" rifle you drag home after a spontaneous purchase.

As for differentiating between the quality of a Leupold or Burris, that gets trickier now that (Burris, at least) has some scopes made off-shore. Not sure where the VX Freedom's internals come from, but the one I had was junk. The last Burris I bought (Philippines) was even worse. Granted, both were of the bargain-level, but I have much less-respected names in scopes that run circles around either of those.

So, discounting those, and just looking at the Leupold and Burrises of known quality, the actual difference in quality of the two would take a back seat if one were the exact power range and objective diameter I wanted. I don't go on expensive hunts, don't hunt in remote areas or in particularly bad weather and I don't hunt dangerous game - or "long range." It's much more important to me to have the power range, objective size and UNCOMPLICATED RETICLE that I want, so my last two new scopes was a pair of Japanese Weaver Classic V3, 1 - 3 x 20mm variables.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I have a 1-3 Weaver!! Its almost as favored as the 23/4x Leupold!!!

Guess I knew the answer deep down.

I have been selling firearms and upgrading. Same with scopes. I in no way considered this a "upgrade" I surely dont want to down grade!!

Your right, That VXIII Leupoly was bought new when they first came out. Leupold allowed two scope purchases per year for stocking dealers and also had award scopes for top sales. Mostly I omited my self as manager. I did compete once and tied for best with one top kid. But I ribbed him as he sold two scopes the last week of the period. TO HIS BUDDYS!! I did not ask (answer I did not want to hear.) for costs sold at... But he won a brand new VX III. I got a VX II but paid diff to get this scope I have a 2.5 x10 gloss VXIII.

I have a number of scopes on the shelf but either smaller then I want or cheaper then I like...
I have a Simmons Aetec 4.5-14 I could put on. Its probably on par with the FF II. Nice not great.

Ill hold this Leupy. Its been good to me.

CW

 

[david s]

It's been a while, a decade or so but I needed to send in a 3-12X Burris E.E.R pistol scope for service. It wasn't broken but it had a black fleck in the field of view. It was repaired/cleaned without any issues. I currently have a pair of the Burris 3-12X pistol scopes an ancient fixed 12X on a 22-250 and the world's most abused 1-4X E.E.R pistol scope. The little 1-4X pistol scope should have died 5 deaths 10 years ago. It been on everything from 22 rimfires to 45-70 Contenders and has been lent out to people who want to see how they would like a pistol scope on their firearm. It's been mounted on at least 18 guns at what's approaching 30 years' time, and shows it, ugly is a good description for how it looks but it's always reliable. Just a guess but about 3/4 of my scopes are Leupold followed by Redfield then Burris then Weaver. If you want a good scope that's cheap see if you can find a used 6-18X Redfield that was offered by Leupold and imported from the Philippines. Surprisingly good scope. Leupold only offered these for a short while, just an opinion but they were better than the Leupold VX II series scopes.

 

[RBHarter]

Just get a second on the house and and buy the Zeiss with the 60mm objective.
Life's too short for janky American conglomocorp junk .







Or something like that .

 

[L Ross]

I only like "big scopes" on target rifles. My hunting guns get scopes such as the Leupold M8-2X and 4X, the Vari-X III in 1.5 to 5X. El Paso Weavers in fixed 3X and 4X with post and cross wire. If my live targets are small I like a 2 to 7X in a Leupold Compact and a Burris Full Field but could be happy with a fixed 6X or 8X.

I was gifted a Vortex lower end 3 to 9X and it is clear and works fine. I stuck it on an AR in 7.62x39 but it is bigger in physical size than I like. I have an old Redfield in 1 to 4X I would have put on there but it is already busy on a 9422M, because a scope on a lever gun is a bit of an abomination but the little rifle deserves a scope and the Redfield is the smallest in physical size that I own.

 

[MW65]

I only like "big scopes" on target rifles. My hunting guns get scopes such as the Leupold M8-2X and 4X, the Vari-X III in 1.5 to 5X. El Paso Weavers in fixed 3X and 4X with post and cross wire. If my live targets are small I like a 2 to 7X in a Leupold Compact and a Burris Full Field but could be happy with a fixed 6X or 8X.
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I agree with hunting rigs... my savage 99 wears a 4x Redfield wide view, my 308 has a m8 4x, and even my 6.5 creed has a m8 6x

I like simple, reliable, and rugged.

 

[Matt]

The 3.5 x 10 Leupold resolves better than the 4.5x14 Burris. Burris has odd/busy reticle I don’t like. You’d swear the Leupold at 10 power is a more powerful scope than the Burris at 14x. The old Burris from 70s, 80s and early 90s were comparable to Redfield and Leupold at the time. Burris does honor warranty’s from the old US production days but it’s not a repair it’s a replacement. Customer service is hit and miss with Burris too. My last experience was drawn out and difficult but ultimately a happy ending. I still buy their upper end stuff. The upper end scopes (Veracity etc) are outstanding quality. Anything else is not worth buying in my opinion. You’d be better served by Bushnell or Vortex in the price range.Bushnell customer service is good but slow. I’ve never had an issue with Vortex products but friends say it’s fast and easy. Leupold is still the gold standard in quality and customer service. I think they equal or exceed anything from Europe or any where else.

 

[RicinYakima]

Hunting guns: 358 Norma Magnum has a Lyman Alaskan as does the 450 Watt, but the 275 Rigby Springfield has a 4X early Weaver. FWIW