catching the ideal 30-30 in other cartridges

[Spindrift]

Another snippet from the Lyman, Contender chapter; .308win, 150 grs bullet. There might be something you can work with here, mimicking 30/30 performance with a 150grs FN bullet.

I always thought the Remington seven in .308win could make for a handy woods rifle. It's almost like a mini-action, with a super- flexible cartridge.



PS The Speer website also offer reduced loads for most of their rifle bullets, but typically with one powder only.

 

[Josh]

Any cartridge with a muzzle velocity over 2,000 fps is "fast", you'll never change my mind on that.

You've got a 308, here's your options:

Load the 110 gr Tac-TX or 110 gr CX (all copper) to as fast as they'll go. You'll Never have core separation issues as it's a mono metal bullet just like cast lead

Or

Load some 150 gr RNSP's to replicate the 30-30 in your 308. It'll be just like running a 30-30 but with a different case shape.

Your biggest issue with the 243 is using a corelokt and expecting bonded bullet performance from a speed demon cartridge. Slow that bullet down to 2600 fps MV and you'd be a happy happy guy.

 

[richhodg66]

When I started my youngest son deer hunting, I got him a .308 and looked up the Hogdon youth loads. Without checking, it seems it was a 125 grain Spitzer and 37 grains of H4895. Good load, shot well, mild recoil, killed deer uneventfully.

I've done the same with IMR4895 and also with 130 grain bullets.

I really don't believe jacketed factory bullets are made to only work within a very narrow velocity range and I feel you're over thinking this. As long as it's not an FMJ and you're shooting it at something approching normal velocity range, you're going to be fine on deer. Imagine how quickly a bullet maker would go broke if their product was designed to open up at 200 yards but failed miserably at 150 or 250. I believe there is a lot more margin for error there.

 

[Monochrome]

When I started my youngest son deer hunting, I got him a .308 and looked up the Hogdon youth loads. Without checking, it seems it was a 125 grain Spitzer and 37 grains of H4895. Good load, shot well, mild recoil, killed deer uneventfully.

I've done the same with IMR4895 and also with 130 grain bullets.

I really don't believe jacketed factory bullets are made to only work within a very narrow velocity range and I feel you're over thinking this. As long as it's not an FMJ and you're shooting it at something approching normal velocity range, you're going to be fine on deer. Imagine how quickly a bullet maker would go broke if their product was designed to open up at 200 yards but failed miserably at 150 or 250. I believe there is a lot more margin for error there.

Well i shared similar ideas like not having a minimum velocity for expansion, but the folks at hornady have had nice lists for bullets and what speeds they need to stay within for expansion. FOr a giggle go look at the 357 xtp family, not good to mix product numbers up.

THe interlocks i bought to use, have good mention of impact velocity. and looking through manuals, my 18" barrel makes it easier to achieve some of them. My main pain is that i have been using a case of PPU 145 grain fmj contract ammunition, and it shoots poi/poa with my federal trophy copper. i really dont like the federal stuff, and the thought of rezeroing my rifle makes me wanna cry

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not blowing smoke out of a hole regarding impact velocity

 

[dale2242]

My 12 YO great grandson will be hunting deer for the first time this year.
His ammo will be 30-30 loaded with 10gr Unique and 311291.
He should be able to do a lot of shooting for a low cost.
Practice, practice, practice.

 

[Joshua]

Or,
Build a .358 Winchester. Load 250 grain cast bullets to a speed that your shoulder likes. And, then go kill some deer.

 

[Jeff H]

Bolt action because 1 i really like bolt action rifles,...

Good enough reason right there.

Once I figured out you were looking for "30/30-like" performance, not necessarily a 30/30, the bolt made more sense.

 

[Monochrome]

and its truly hard finding jacketed bullets. indoctrination has been cast in rifle bad, unless its throwing 400 grains

 

[todd]

you need a sporterized 1898 Springfield Armory in 30-40 Krag.

 

[richhodg66]

My 12 YO great grandson will be hunting deer for the first time this year.
His ammo will be 30-30 loaded with 10gr Unique and 311291.
He should be able to do a lot of shooting for a low cost.
Practice, practice, practice.

Wiyhout a loading manual in front of me, ten grains in a .30-30 case sounds pretty hot(?) Where is that on the min to max scale?

There is a lot of goodness in your method. A load like that will allow for a lor more quality practice which will translate into better shot plscement.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Or,
Build a .358 Winchester. Load 250 grain cast bullets to a speed that your shoulder likes. And, then go kill some deer.

If what you're wanting is a short range moderate recoil deer killing caliber. There isn't a cast bullet 30 caliber made that superior to a cast bullet 35 caliber.

I've killed at least a dozen deer with the 300 blackout. It works fine. That was done with light bullet super velocity loads.
But a 35 Remington or any moderate 35 shooting a have your cast bullet is superior.
My mind, cast bullet guns, for deer, start at 35 caliber.

CW

 

[richhodg66]

Nothing against .35s, but .30s work fine with cast and the one I sed cast in a 7mm died pretty quick too.

That said, when I was much younger but very eager to get into casting (pre internet days) I read a lot and decided the .35 Remington was the ultimate cast bullet rifle cartridge and so the search began. I "knew" a micro groove wouldn't work with cast and rifles besides Marlins seemed rare, but a beat up one, the ling barrel, pistol grip, half magazine variant turned up on a gun show table and I bought it.

Never have really wrung that rifle out with cast, I need to pull it out and do that. I did kill a couple of deer with it in S.C. using (gasp!) Remington Core Lokts and it was quite effective. Since then I've used cast on deer in a .358 and a couple with the .351 WSL, .35s work.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I like them all.
But what I'm saying is, if you're buying a gun to specially shoot cast, specifically for deer hunting, I suggest to start with a 35 caliber.


CW

 

[JonB]

I'm not saying the 7.62x39 is the equal of the 30/30 and do not believe such to be so, but...

For the application at hand, it could be nearly enough be so with 150 grain bullets in a bolt-action.

Now, I recently SOLD the most marvelous little bolt-action, so-chambered, and I'm certain a fella could load it to be very effective with 150s for the type of shooting mentioned in the OP.

Mine was a CZ 527, but there are some out there in the Zastava M85 (aka "Mini-Mauser"), sold under various other names, even by Remington for a short time. Ruger chambered the M77 for some as well, but not many. All three use BOX magazines, so even pointy bullets are OK. Not that I believe that makes much real-life difference for the ballistics the case is capable of, but it widens the selection of bullets a LOT.

I'm late to this party, but when I read the OP, I instantly thought of a CZ527 in 7.62x39 before I read Jeff's post. So I looked at gun broker to see what the current price is. There are several on auction, but this one is buy it now for $1k. With this type of rifle, I'd look for a minty (near unfired) example, just in case Bubba's gun that shot a bunch of corrosive commie ammo is listed.
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AND, if the desire to have a ugly sista gun in semi-auto, there is Ruger's Mini 30.

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[RBHarter]

A 32 Win Special if you can find .260+ inch meplat about 175-180gr might be a cheap find. The 32 Rem sister is about as easy to run as 30-30 . If you do go with the out of print Rem they can be had in slides , autos , and bolts .

 

[Jeff H]

Wiyhout a loading manual in front of me, ten grains in a .30-30 case sounds pretty hot(?) Where is that on the min to max scale?

There is a lot of goodness in your method. A load like that will allow for a lor more quality practice which will translate into better shot plscement.

Current Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook goes up to 10.6 grains for that bullet at 36kCUP, 1568 fps in their 24" barrel.

 

[Jeff H]

I'm late to this party, but when I read the OP, I instantly thought of a CZ527 in 7.62x39...

They were worth that buy-it-now price since before they were selling for half that much new. I was down to this one and the 24" Contender Carbine in 30/30 when deciding on my ONE rifle requiring large primers. Too many user-specific reasons for choosing the TC 30/30 over the CZ to list and not all reasons pertinent to the thread.

The 527s are SWEET and the Carbines just a bit sweeter. I still have one in 222. Wonderful little bolt-actions.

 

[Monochrome]

th

I'm late to this party, but when I read the OP, I instantly thought of a CZ527 in 7.62x39 before I read Jeff's post. So I looked at gun broker to see what the current price is. There are several on auction, but this one is buy it now for $1k. With this type of rifle, I'd look for a minty (near unfired) example, just in case Bubba's gun that shot a bunch of corrosive commie ammo is listed.
.
AND, if the desire to have a ugly sista gun in semi-auto, there is Ruger's Mini 30.

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thats the thing, the times i have found a nice used gun like a 30/40 krag in an affordable price, going by what the oodles of internet folks tell me is the affordable price, it always has critical issues that typically neccessitate a new barrel, sometimes a new bolt, sometimes everythign except the butt plate needs to be replaced to make it shootable. But thats sort of the problem ive had with all surplus rifles.

 

[todd]

i have 2 Krag's and there is nothing wrong with them. i also got 2 Krag actions sans bolt that i have to build. the biggest problem i had is the rust, but Evapo-rust took care of it.

 

[RBHarter]

I was cruising a forum once and scored a Santa Barbara 98 action and bolt for $32 delivered to my FFL . A day or two later an FFL offered me a take or 358 barrel fitted to whatever I had laying around ....... Gratis . So I asked him if he had trigger set too.
I found a Fajin stock in a box in a garage that cost me $8 to get the polyurethane off .
I did break down and buy bottom metal , a hinged inside the bow release set with a stamped follower I scrounged someplace .
I ended up with like $165 in a pretty nice field rifle .

This was only about 6 years ago.
Blind pig and an acorn ya know .