Finally broke into the 10mm

Josh

Well-Known Member
For years I've seen people talking about the 10mm Auto. I've seen it compared to everything from 22LR to 44 Mag and for years I've had a back and forth with myself on if I should get one. I played with the 45 Super and 460 Rowland loads when I owned a Blackhawk convertible and they didn't trip my trigger.

I kept saying "If S&W ever makes an M&P in 10mm I'll buy one." Then, like they heard my thoughts, they did. It was a shorter barrel than I wanted though and was really hoping for a threaded option, so I held out for another year. Enter the Performance Center 10mm. Once it arrived on the market, I knew it was the one, even if it didn't have the treaded barrel I was so hoping for.

So, off to the LGS I went to buy some Christmas shooting supplies for family and lo and behold, there it sat, the Performance Center 10mm M&P. Luckily right? So, I picked it up and ran home to shoot the thing. I bought one box of FMJ just so I could check functionality and sight in the optic. The Armscor 180 gr ammo ran 1130 FPS from my handgun and printed a respectable 3" group at 25 yds.

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Now enter my search for a proper bullet mould. I needed something in the 180 gr weight as I feel that's the sweet spot for this cartridge. I went online looking and searching and nothing tripped my trigger. I was annoyed that no 10mm moulds were in my mould boxes when I remembered something, YEARS ago, I bought a Mihec 40 cal HP mould. I can't even remember why anymore. So I started searching, I found the bugger at the very bottom of my mould box, and right beside it was a Lee 6 banger 175 gr mould that I removed the bevel base from. I was ecstatic, my hoarding and stashing finally paid off!

So, with nothing more to do than wait on my dies to get here, I started to cast up some Mihec bullets. I settled on the cup point as I didn't want to initiate expansion too rapidly. I'm happy to say that it *once warm* rains bullets as fast as any solid nose design. I sized and lubed a few with LSL at 0.401" and am going to PC a few and size the same. My plan is to shoot them side by side with identical loads to see which nets me the better load. They're coming out of the mould at a very consistent 189 gr and even with such a large HP cavity, feed like poop through a goose.

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I'm going to try and find a load that nets me 1250 FPS or close to it and run exclusively that in this pistol. Does it compare to my Ruger Blackhawk 41 Mag? No, not even close, but it certainly does hold a special slot in my handgun line-up. I can't wait until next year's hunting season to send some 10mm lead into a medium sized cervid.
 

Petrol & Powder

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1250 fps with a 190 grain bullet may be a little tough to achieve, even with a lead bullet. But I suspect something in the 1100 fps range will get the job done.
 

Josh

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1250 fps with a 190 grain bullet may be a little tough to achieve, even with a lead bullet. But I suspect something in the 1100 fps range will get the job done.
Yeah, 1250 might be optimistic, I wasn't sure if the extra barrel length would get me there. I've seen a few guys getting 1300 with the exact gun and a 180 gr cast with book max loads of 800x, Longshot or CFE Pistol. I can't remember. If I'm at 1150 or more, I'll be happy as a clam.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
So with my alloy I’m getting 187gr(180gr mold) bullets that were powder coated and sized to .401”. Loaded over 14gr of AA#9 I was getting 1325fps.
Snappy to say the least. I’m looking to tone this back to around 1250fps and see how that works. This is from a 5” Magnum Research 1911.
 

Josh

Well-Known Member
So with my alloy I’m getting 187gr(180gr mold) bullets that were powder coated and sized to .401”. Loaded over 14gr of AA#9 I was getting 1325fps.
Snappy to say the least. I’m looking to tone this back to around 1250fps and see how that works. This is from a 5” Magnum Research 1911.
Yikes! That's a spicy recipe! Thanks for the info, I was thinking about #9.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
Yikes! That's a spicy recipe! Thanks for the info, I was thinking about #9.
Yeah. Little too spicy. I might give AA7 a try too.
8gr of Longshot only got 1130fps. I don’t want to duplicate sissy factory ammo. 1200-1250 I think will be what I shoot for.
 

Josh

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I think it's funny how we perceive power. The 10mm shooting a 180 gr bullet at 1250 fps is considered plenty for deer out to 50-60 yds and is a very capable cartridge.

It might be just me, but, I won't take out a 30 cal rifle shooting a 180 gr bullet at ONLY 1250 fps. It would need to be at 1800 fps for me to feel comfortable. Even though, the rifle has the ability to place a 1250 fps bullet more accurately than a pistol does.

As the saying goes... "It's all relative."
 

Petrol & Powder

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A 180+ grain bullet travelling anywhere north of 950 fps - is already fairly potent. The 10mm can certainly push beyond 950 fps but it's really just icing on the cake at that point.
If you get into the 1150 fps region with reliable functioning, I would just seek out the best accuracy and call it a day.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Lots of years with 10mm here.

My sweet spot with the 10mm has always been 1075-1100 FPS with the 200 grainers and 1200-1225 FPS with the 175-180 grain pills. Blue Dot and AA-9 have done good work for me, Unique and Herco do all right too. The Norma-level loads (200 grains at 1200+ FPS) were the loads that cracked the Delta Elite receivers back in the day; they might do similar things to Glocks, SIGs, and now the M&Ps--dunno. I back off Norma-level loads 10% and call it 'Good' for deer hunting.

For goblin-stopping the 40 S&W ballistics of 180s @ 950 FPS do fine work. Most 10mm pistols will function well with 'FBI Lite' 10mm loads of 180 grains @ 1030 FPS.

The10mm Auto is NOT a magazine-fed 41 Magnum. Loaded to 'Norma minus 10%', I think it is a mid-point between 357 Magnum and 41 Magnum of the post-1990 SAAMI era. A Glock 20 SF filled with W-W Silvertips would have been a very comforting sidearm back in the day when I plied some very discomforting places. I think very highly of the 10mm Auto, its little brother the 40 S&W, and the 45 ACP. A friend of mine with Banning PD about 40 years ago had a black bear coming at him at warp speed across a back yard one early morning. The contents of his 1911-pattern 45 ACP put the critter down decisively. THAT was a very interesting event to monitor on my patrol unit's scanner. XXXX was a former Navy SEAL and a fine officer who later became a Deputy District Attorney. He passed a few years ago, and is sorely missed.
 
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CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
That bottom target shows some right fine shooting.

Winchester Silvertips run a 175 grain HP bullet in the 1200-1225 FPS ZIP Code. This load was designed to safely maximize ballistics in 1911-series pistols and not prompt cracking between slide rail and slide-stop hole. These are my carry rounds in the Glock 20 and 29, and they are a handful in that abbreviated pistol.

Remington and Federal load their 180 grain bullets to 1125-1150 FPS; given that the very effective 40 S&W runs this same bullet weight at 925-950 FPS, the 10mm might be gilding the lily just a bit as a goblin stopper. Federal also loads a version of the 180 grain JHP at 1030 FPS, sarcastically termed the 'FBI Lite' round. These were sufficient to run the S&W 10XX-series pistols of the late 1980s and 1990s for the FBI.

I am rolling around the idea of a S&W Model 610 x 6" as a hunting revolver currently. What it could do that a Ruger BH x 6.5" couldn't accomplish is difficult to discern, but nothing requires that notions of this sort make actual sense.
 
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300BLK

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I had a 5" S&W 610. Original Norma 170s chrono'd 1370fps! My pet load was 180gr XTPs over AA#7 that chrono'd1280fps.

Hodgdon load data has 40 S&W 180gr at 1150fps from 4" with Longshot!.....so much for it being Short & Weak.

edit: my USPSA load back in the day was enough AA#5 to make a 175gr 40143 go just over 1000fps on average....to make IPSC Major.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

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I had a 5" S&W 610. Original Norma 170s chrono'd 1370fps! My pet load was 180gr XTPs over AA#7 that chrono'd1280fps.

Hodgdon load data has 40 S&W 180gr at 1150fps from 4" with Longshot!.....so much for it being Short & Weak.
Only those folks, truely ignorant, could seriously think it is "Short n Weak".